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I am looking at getting a 2002 laguna initiale but not sure exactly which engine will be best for me?

2.0 16v petrol


1.9 dci diesel

I drive to work every day across town and its about 15 mile round trip through very stop start traffic. on the weekends i may do a longer motorway run around 60 miles or so but mostly town driving unfortunately.

which do you think will be best for me?

does anyone have any mpg data... not the published stuff but what your actually getting round town.

thanks in advance
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Diesel, no contest.
When you start a petrol engine it runs rich (remember the old "choke" buttons/levers?) so fuel economy is poor, and the exhaust gases are more damaging to the exhaust pipe than those of a diesel although catalysys seem to have helped prolong the life of petrol cars' exhausts.
2 examples - when I moved house to where I now live (Surrey-Hants borders, loads of congested traffic everywhere) from rural Wiltshire, the fuel consumption of my then 2-litre petrol car dropped from around 35mpg in Wiltshire to around 22mpg in Surrey. The fuel consumption of the 1.5 litre petrol car that my wife drove also worsened, from around 37mpg to around 30mpg. I replaced my 2.0 petrol with a Scenic 1.9 diesel and the consumption I got from it was around 50mpg; my wife now uses it and it returns nearly 40mpg in comparison to the 1.5 petrol engine's approx 30mpg.
Diesels produce much more low-down torque which is ideal for town driving, less need to rev the engine and fewer gearchanges. Try a petrol and diesel in the town where you are going to be doing the driving yourself, and see if you can notice the difference.
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does anyone also have the 0-60 times for both cars? coming from a 270bhp audi s3... a little bit of speed is still on my agenda even though this will only be a second car.
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I tend to agree - diesel. Unless you are after out and out acceleration from the traffic lights and like to work the engine hard - then petrol is more suited to you.
Both the 2.0ide and 1.9dci engines are not without their problems tho. but from what I gather most of the dci problems are due to poor oil used and long service intervals. If a good quality fully synthetic oil is used every 9k miles rather than the recommended 18k then engines should be beter.

We have a 2004 1.9dci 120bhp and do a mixture of town,country lane and A road driving - not a great deal of dual carriage way miles and average about 50mpg. I do not have a heavy right foot but will accelerate hard when necessary ( to avoid old biddies/overtake old biddies etc ).

On a recent run along a dual carriageway for about 20miles at approx 70mph we were averaging near 60mpg.

If you get a chance try and test drive both - they will be different but only you can really compare.

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For driving pleasure, the 2.0 IDE petrol wins hands down. Okay, so my dCi 130 is still loosening up, but I've been in a few dCi 120s and they certainly didn't have the oomph of my 2.0 IDE . The 0-60 figures backed that up - the IDE was the right side of 10 seconds, whereas the dCi 120 was the wrong side. 9.3 and 11.0 respectively spring to mind, though don't take that as gospel as my memory's a bit hazy.

Reliability-wise, the 1.9 dCi is notorious for turbo problems, and a lot of second-hand ones are going cheap because the owner is aware of the need for an expensive repair. Similarly, the 6 speed box has a reputation for being problematic on earlier examples.

Early 2002 2.0 petrols will be the IDE engine, which you shouldn't touch with the longest bargepole you can find. It's a shame, because it's nice and torquey for a 16v petrol engine and doesn't have to be thrashed that hard to make it go. The problem is that they're prone to very expensive problems at relatively low mileages.

The 2.0 IDE was replaced in mid 2002 with a slightly less powerful (136 vs 140bhp I think) 2.0 litre engine, which isn't quite as nice to drive (not only is it marginally less powerful, but the torque peaks higher too so it needs to be worked that much harder.) This is probably your best bet in the reliability stakes, even if it's not the most frugal and doesn't quite have the oomph of the IDE engine. Of course you could always go for the dCi route and chip it. Or if you really want a bit of poke, go for a 2.2 dCi and consider chipping that.
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