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Post Renault Laguna II - Phase 1 - Buyer's Guides - Oil specification by Elf.

I have read with interest the thread concerning oil specifications. This was after I purchased my latest car, which is a Laguna 1.8 16v Authentique Automatic 2002 vintage with 39000 miles on the clock. Changing the oil in all my previous cars was done at 6000 miles. So I thought I should look into it too make sure that I was upto date with grades etc. I contacted Elf direct and asked what should I use in the above car.
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The correct PRIMARY engine oil for your vehicle on a 2 year service interval is an SAE 5W-30 viscosity oil to ACEA specification A5, such as Elf Evolution SXR 5W-30.
The SECONDRY recommendation is an SAE 5W-40 viscosity to ACEA specification A3/B3/B4, such as Elf Excellium LDX 5W-40.
The THIRD recommendation is an SAE 10W-40 viscosity oil to ACEA specification A3/B3/B4, such as Elf Competition ST.
So I contacted my local distributor to find out what they would put into my car if I was to get them to do it, and guess what they would use a Semi Synthetic 10W-40 make unknown. Then I contacted the garage that carried out the last service and yes they do the same.
So in short if you are like me who has NEVER ever had someone else service his vehicles over the last 44 years, you will want to use the best possible oil available. As I say I change the oil and filter every 6000 and to date have never even had to take the head off any of my cars.
If you put your car in for servicing and want the best for your car you will need to specify what oil they use. I would suggest you go to the following link and ask them what you should use for your vehicle.
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I agree entirely with the above. I have always done all servicing on my vehicles over the last 48 years, the 18000 miles interval for Renaults is ludicrous. now I am retired I do under 8000 miles a year and service my car every year, oil change and all other checks using high quality synthetic oil always 10w-40 castrol. Renault only reccomend Elf because they are French.

One thing I always do is to drain the engine oil first, I let it drip for the next hour or two while I do the rest of the service, most garages let it drip for about 3 minutes! so you only get a partial oil change.

Quite a few years ago my son had the oil changed on his porcshe 944 by a garage, a couple of days later he said his engine was a lot noisier, I simply changed the oil for a quality one and the engine was a lot quieter!
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Garages are in general struggling to survive and one area where they can generate some big money is in the oil they supply and what they charge for it. Always question what is going into your car even if you are paying a premium price for it as even the poorest oils can generally pass the low specifications of most manufactures.
I would suggest that the reason that a 10w-40 went into your car is that this can be sourced cheaply and thatís unfortunately what you will have; A 5w-30 would be a better oil as the refining methods would have to be better to get it to that specification, now a 0w-30 would start to move you into a quality area!
I stand to be corrected but Elf oil doesn't really exist and are owned and have oils supplied from elsewhere, good luck.
Decent oils are made by the likes of Mobile, Motul and the top in testing Amsoil, but hey its your money and your car. If you don't want to spend an extra few quid a litre to protect your substantial investment, get longer service intervals and better protection (which actually saves you money) never mind a couple more miles to the gallon I'm sure the car manufactures will be please to see you back in the showroom in a couple of years.
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Oil quality has improved almost beyond comprehension in the last few years and I think it has left a few people behind in it's wake.The quality of oil that you use does have a direct effect on the life of your engine but to say that you have never had a head off of any of your cars because of the oil you use is misleading to say the least.
Speaking from the point of view of someone is who is still in touch with modern motor vehicle engineering(independant garage),whenever we do an oil and filter change we always consult the relevant publication on which oil to refill the system with,but manufacturers tend to change their opinions on a regular basis and 'forget' to inform anybody that the oil that once was recommended now shouldn't be used.To say that garages need the revenue from supplying inferior quality oil at high prices is completely insulting to the vast majority of people who work in the motor repair industry(I'll admit that it only takes a few rouges to taint the whole industry but even so....).If we charged our average customer vast amounts of money to do an oil and filter change because we filled their engine with 'quality' engine oil then we would soon go out of business.If a customer is that worried about oil then they will provide their own oil which is absolutely fine.
Service intervals are stretched out not only because the quality of engineering and of oils has improved but because the customer has demanded it and mileages of modern cars have increased considerably.
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