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Re: What to ask of a Panelbeater for this repair?

Awww shucks, not really worth worrying that hard about.
1 It's a car and is still perfectly usable. (Many aren't)
2 It could be repaired without a full sill (beating & filling)
3 My car was 3 years old and had to be spot on for return to the lease company - the body shop said that for a normal customer they would fill and paint it instead.
4. If your worried about the internal rust proofing integrity - go old school, drill a hole and inject some waxoyle after the repair and put a bung on it or have them do it!

See, all looks a bit more reasonable now doesn't it ?

Relax - it'll be fine at least he's taking responsibility for the repair.

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Re: What to ask of a Panelbeater for this repair?

I agree with jim.You are better off having it repaired than a new sill fitting,more chance of corrosion by having the section replaced.No matter how good the bodyshop they can never match the factory robots!.A decent bodyshop will carry out a quality repair and you will never know its happened.
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Re: What to ask of a Panelbeater for this repair?

Hello again, Jim

My problem is I probably know too much about cars for my own good (From age 5yo, 65 years ago) i used to help my late father work on the family cars - the first being an Austin 7 and holding a leadlamp for him, made from an old custard tin.

From age about 18, i was fortunate enough to buy several new cars - always Renault and often, service and repairs by the agents were poor so I started to buy Haynes manuals and did most of routine sericing and repairs myself in the intervening years.

I therefore am aware of the implications of the kind of body damage which happened here - future rust if not done properly.

Anyway, its no good futzing about what happened - I will just have to wait for some advice and suggestions about what can be done here.


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Re: What to ask of a Panelbeater for this repair?

Is the mechanic paying for the repairs out of his own pocket or via his business insurance policy? He should hold trade insurance cover for all aspects of his garage business so why not lodge a claim on his insurance?
In the pic it does look like the car has been raised in the wrong place. Probably best to consult two or three repairers and ask their recommendation of the best repair method and take it from there. If your car is made in 2000 then there's bound to be corrosion somewhere along the seams or inside the sill section after 13 years.
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Re: What to ask of a Panelbeater for this repair?

Hi there.

That is actually quite a large repair area, mainly because it's the full width of the sill itself that has been buckled.

It is possible to repair the panel, but it would be quite involved, and would involve drilling holes to allow a slide hammer (with self-tapping bolt) access to pull the panel into as good an original shape as possible, grind it back, then apply a skim of filler, smooth & shape, etch primer, then primer then stoneguard paint, then basecoat followed by lacquer. Possibly painting the entire sill as trying to match fresh with 13 year old paint - is nigh on impossible (unless working off paint cards).

If it's a box-section, then drilling some holes shouldn't create any rust issues, as long as it isn't left exposed for any prolonged period of time, and the paintwork is reinstated. (It's effectively being sealed-up again).

You'll be without your car for a couple of days for a proper job to be done.

Did the garage have a 2 or 4-post lift? As I agree, it definitely shows signs of compression/deformation due to incorrect lifting, but I would expect a regular trolley jack to leave stepped indentations in the metal - this looks very smooth, with the paintwork itself unbroken. I'd suspect that either someone has been in a hurry and not lined up the feet for the lift properly, or someone has nudged one out of place just before the car was raised.

Personally, I'd opt for the repair of existing sill rather than replacement (if corrosion is one of your major concerns), as you are potentially opening-up all along what seems a sound panel, and in my opinion - throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Rest assured - this isn't going to be a 'cheap repair' for him - either way.



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