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post #56 of 253 (permalink) Old 18th August 2005
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Did OG make a post and then remove it?

I only got a chance to skim read it, I was going to reply!

Basically, you have already taken your biggest chance by using the Renault logo at the top of every forum page. Thats far more risky than the stickers... and thats no risk at all!!!
However, in America, so forums put "the unofficial fan site" just to avoid litigation.
Luckily, in Europe common sense still plays a part in the civil courts. Unlike criminal courts, they are NOT there to punish... they know they are there to 'settle disputes'. The first question the beak always askes the claimant is "what steps have you taken to settle this dispute before bringing it before the court?"
If they say "none", they are in big trouble, especially a huge company with corporate lawers which really should know better. The judge would probably throw the case out.

So before you go anywhere near a court, they have to try and settle any dispute which would involve asking you to stop using their logo or change it. Unless you dispute this request, you will never end up anywhere near a court.

Even if you did end up in court and lose, ... You have no money, Renault don't need your money, the judge knows they don't need your money, so the worst case is that he will tell you to stop using the logo.

In short there is no risk with this.
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Further more - unless Renault do have an official forum, then you are not in competition... so no problem.

Even if they did, courts see competition as healthy so it probably wouldn't be a problem!

Thridly, there is no money involved, so you are not depriving them of revenue. Even if you did earn a couple of hundred thousand, this sort of money is hardly going to sink Renault's boat!

Believe me, I have been through this many times before, Iv'e been in court many times, I have research copyright issues, sought advice from lawers and govenment agences... it's just not a problem.
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post #58 of 253 (permalink) Old 18th August 2005
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I did post mate but I was doing two things at once and by the time I'd submitted it you and selwonk had both posted and it wasn't as relevant so I binned it!

The bottom line is that we don't make any money out of this, infact it costs us money so why take a chance - simple as that really, I don't want a load of hassle. If I got a letter off Renault the site would be over becaue I'm not going to pay for the privilege of aggro!

You are a star man for offering to do the stickers and if you are good enough to do a few for certain people who want them then that is great and you can put anything on them you like - I won't slap a C&D on you for using

That logo at the top by the way is taken from a picture of my Espace - so it's mine not Renaults, I paid for it
post #59 of 253 (permalink) Old 18th August 2005
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How about you send them to me Clean_Image. If you're willing to do them, if I get them off you I can post them out no problem! What's the best way of me sending you my address?

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post #60 of 253 (permalink) Old 18th August 2005
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I' like those Va Va Voom ones you did a picture of. Are these the ones that are being made

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