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When I bought my 02 Espace I only got 1 key. Rather than pay over 100 for a new key and re code from a dealer, can I get a 2nd hand one off ebay , get a new blade cut and re code the key ?
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I personally would not buy a keycard from ebay . Read the post below from Webcode.



As of 4 June 2006 You will NOT be able to buy a new keycard from Renault without supplying the VIN number and proof of ownership of the vehicle. The following vehicles are involved:

Megane II
Scenic II
Clio III
Laguna II
Vel Satis
Espace IV

The reason behind this is due to a major security issue that has been discovered outside the UK. The senario is this. You take your vehicle for some work to be carried out. The dodgy technician has a blank keycard. He programs that keycard to your vehicle. Then they either come to your home address and steal the vehicle or sell the key and the address to a friend who then steals it

So the procedure is that you or us a dealer has to provide customer specific details to Renault France who will authorise the card to be ordered. The card then arrives at the dealership with your VIN number already coded to it. We then apply to Renault for the programming code and have 1 hour to program the key before the code expires.

So if anyone is considering buying a New key from Ebay for example. You will NOT be able to get it programmed fullstop as the Clip will not allow a non Vin encoded key to be programmed as explained above. Note also that a new Vin encoded key Cannot be programmed to any other vehicle even it is has not been prgrammed to the origional one.

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Hi Steven - what you need to consider is that the car is programmed to suit the key NOT the key is programmed to suit the car. Security doesn't come cheap nowadays and if you look closely you car is likely to have either a
Thatcham CAT1 or CAT2 system installed form new. Most car insurers give a discount for this as the likleyhood of theft is very low. So you either pay for the key or pay higher insurance. In all honesty if I were buying a car either new or second hand I wouldn't even consider it if it had only one key - recently when I went to buy a car and there was only one key I said I wanted a £300 discount as I would need to replace both keys simply because somebody out there had a spare. The salesman nearly fainted when I walked away - sometime later he phoned saying they had found the key and was I still interested - guess were I told him to go. So it is surprising how many people just don't care about security.

P.S. When taken onto account the overall costs of buying, running and insuring a car £100becomes insignificant.
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Totally agree with you regarding security being important and is often overlooked. If designed in at the start of any project it is pretty cheap. However, I think there is an awful lot of profit being made here and other areas which are perceived as being hi-tech.

A lot of electronics kit is made for buttons in the far east & shipped to the UK where it is charged a fortune for. Just look at the number of Renault CLIP suppliers from China!

If the Renault system is decent, it will be built with industry standard protocols & components. Standards which have been pawed over by many security experts looking any and every vulnerability. Yes, it is fair that a reasonable cost is attributed to recovering the security code for your car from the Renault data system, and a reasonable cost for the card. However, I think 100 is over the top.

Another area which appears to have the "black magic" applied to them and people are prepared to pay OTT prices are is engine management units. Not that you have much of a choice in not buying them. You are litterally over a barrel.

Rolling code alarm systems have been about for ages so there's nothing new there.
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Thanks guys. its a key, not a card. I actually know the previous owner and he can't find the spare key anywhere, mind you I did get the car for nearly 2000 under list because of that and the digital dash not working, but I managed to get that repaired, so I suppose I shouldn't really complain about paying a bit more for a spare key than I wanted to, so it's off to the dealers tomorrow !
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