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Re: Renault ''Twizy''

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Re: Renault ''Twizy''

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it all comes down to free choice
I would agree wholeheartedly and if someone wishes to publish personal information in the public domain that is entirely their own concern. Should they wish to expose themselves to unecesary risk then again that is their personal choice and therefore have to accept any associated risks.
On numerous occasions some members have politely reminded others to obliterate the Reg., number on a photo of their car due to the risk of cloning. If a member feels another is exposing themselves to unecessary risk then a short polite reminder is all that is required. But please keep it polite or if possible send a PM.
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Re: Renault ''Twizy''

This thread has rather drifted off topic somewhat. In an attempt to steer it back on course then I will agree that everyone has their own preference and if it suits you then so be it. I wonder if it is a fad that will soon pass.

I cannot see any future for wholly electric vehicles despite the pressure that governments place on manufacturers and which they in turn place on us. Battery technology is simply not sufficiently advanced, and is not moving forward at a rate needed to save them, IMHO

Batteries simply do not have the range, take too long to charge and are too heavy for the vehicles to have a sufficiently wide appeal to be commercially sustainable. There is still no battery that can accept the constant charge and discharge cycle that these vehicles will demand combined with a long lifespan. Nobody even knows for sure how long the batteries will last, which is one of the reasons you don't buy them with the vehicle but lease them. Their cost is another. From 48 a month to lease, Renault are keeping very quiet about their replacement cost but if as some commentators suggest they begin to fail after only 18 months then they are going to have a large write off on their hands. How long will they sustain such losses?

OK, a few will get sold at the get go. As Twizyowner has demonstrated an electric vehicle does the job for him, but will a self renewable market develop? I very much doubt it. I get the distinct impression that in a few years time these things will end up on ebay with the same image as a Sinclair C5.

What will explode on to the market in the next two or three years is the plug in Hybrid. A vehicle capable of travelling commuter distances on electric power alone, with the comfort and practicality of a full sized vehicle and the range and instant refuelability of a petrol or diesel tank.

Who knows, one day there may even be a plug in Hybrid XJR?

I have read a lot of articles about the twizy, this was one of the best.

They all seem to reach the same conclusions though, the one which surely would be most concerning to all EV manufacturers would be their "impracticality in towns and cities". That must be very concerning.
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Re: Renault ''Twizy''

I've driven a few hybrids from Lexus (so 'money-no-object' cars).

And in all honesty, if it weren't for the Americans being so anti-diesel, and the DOT test in this country's basis for a CO2-based VED and company car-tax scheme you would scratch your head trying to find ANY real advantage over a highly-engineered turbodiesel.

Its crazy to see diesels delivering 100 BHP/litre (once the measure of a racing engine), whilst giving real-world economy which no hybrid can deliver. Yet, because the hybrid performs better on the government test, it is designed to flatter - it's the hybrid which gets the benefits, despite being heavier, slower, thirstier, having less space and being much more complicated...

Colin Chapman said, 'simplify, then add lightness', but there is little long-term profit in doing that, so manufacturers devise ever-more complicated bolt-on solutions ( EGR 's, DPF's, electric power steering, etc), simply to meet targets, which could be achieved through efficiency gains.

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Re: Renault ''Twizy''

As I also stated, for me coming from motorbike, with a short commute and solar panels, it's an obvious choice. Until things get better with electric cars we will keep a basic family car.

I can park mine off the road and in a garage to charge, there is enough room in the back for shopping or running my 20 year old around. Easier than on the bike.

The reporters who didn't like the Twizy because they could not park it to charge it, have problems I don't, like carrying the shopping from a car parked away from home in the street open to all passing.

The hills round me mean even short journeys are a challenge. The Twizy will just help.
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