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post #11 of 24 (permalink) Old 19th March 2007
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I simply look at it this way - fuel ain't gonna last for ever - now is it. So the less we use uneccessarily the longer it will last - so the longer we get to drive. Do you believe we should be allowed to drive whatever we want without some sort of restriction.
The motor manufactures must play a bigger part in fuel consumption issues.

Until our conservation Idea's are adopted by the bigger countries and including the up and coming countries like india and china, our drop in the ocean conservation will make little difference.

Money making is the name of the game, "global warming little more than hysteria "

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Originally Posted by madnoel10 View Post
Hi, Trucks what's up with you today - off on a wee rant of your own. I simply look at it this way - fuel ain't gonna last for ever - now is it. So the less we use uneccessarily the longer it will last - so the longer we get to drive. Do you believe we should be allowed to drive whatever we want without some sort of restriction.
What harm is a 4x4 really doing if it's being driven 50 miles a week? Is the driver really doing more harm than someone with a Smart who does 200 miles a week? Of course not - the differences aren't that great at all. Without taking the absolute extremes, there's typically no more than a 2 to 3 times improvement between driving one of the thirstiest cars you can and driving one of the most economical.

Besides, if it's really about emissions and natural resources, then why stop at this? A much more effective solution would be to limit everyone's household central heating system to 18 degrees C in every room. They could soon come up with new thermostatic radiator valves that could do this, and of course make it an offence to tamper with them or heat your house by other means (and if you do, they could take a leaf out of their road charging proposals and send you to prison, where it's only 15 degrees in your cell in winter )

It's not about emissions and natural resources though is it? It's about squeezing that little bit more out of the general public in a way that won't upset too many people. There's a lot of ill feeling towards 4x4's and sports cars, largely thanks to that part of the British psyche that ingrains our people with a heartfelt resentment towards anyone who's doing better than they are. By peeing on the bonfire of the Chelsea tractor brigade, the politicians can grab a few more quid to flush down the toilet and they might just win back a few of the voters that they've ticked off in other areas.

Here's hoping it's too little too late for this bunch. Still, you can't blame them for trying.

Edit: Just to add - I might start to take their stance on green issues a bit more seriously the day that Prescott swaps at least one of his Jags for a Prius
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post #13 of 24 (permalink) Old 19th March 2007
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Hi OG - Apart from your political rant - Exactly what point are you trying to make.
I'm making an abstract point that it is crazy.

Horatio has since made a couple of good points that i entirely agree with.

A lot of people who buy cars with good fuel economy do so because they do lots of miles, probably a lot more than, for example, Missus OG in the Grandis - so let's say somebody in their frugal clio diesel does 20,000 miles in a year rather than her 5 or 6,000, chances are they are causing more environmental damage than her so why should I pay more Road Tax.

We're already paying over 70% tax on the fuel we use so those who use more pay more, this is political crap, not something that will help the environment.
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Nice rant Horatio but pity it didn't answer the question. You sure your not a politician - it was a typical politicians answer. Rant, rave, go off on a tangent (seen it all before). I just asked the question should there be a limit on the size of what people should be able to drive. And your 2-3 times more should read 200%-300% - I don't know about you but that's a helluva lot in my book. I'm sure others reading this thread would like to hear your answer the question.
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post #15 of 24 (permalink) Old 19th March 2007
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Just to slightly hijack the thread, I have a plan:

Forget talk of ideology either political or religous, most recent wars / conflicts are about who controls the dwindling oil resources. If we remove the reliance on oil we remove the need for conflict. The technology is there for electric cars, solar, geothermal and wind / water power. If more money was spent on developing these energy sources and less on cleaning up after polution or fighting wars to get oil we would have a cleaner peaceful world.

Vote Chris for world president, you know it makes sense.
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