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Originally Posted by Alan Croves View Post
I have just seen a advert for the laguna on the telly,what a pity the powers that be, can not make Renault tell the truth.( 1.9dCi ) Like the turbo is unstable and at the drop of a hat will have you roaring down the motorway at max revs till the engine blows due to lack of oil. If you do the oil change yourself do not refill the sump through the normal oil filler hole but use the vent pipe, as mister turbo will have you bombing down the motorway out of control.The EGR valve will need cleaning more times than your teeth,and you can give your kids the intercooler at easter because by then it will have turned into an egg. The tyre pressure system is a joke and was only installed to keep the local dealer in pocket money.Talking about the local dealer,when you pick up your Laguna do not forget to leave your bank details so he can have your eyes out,because in the long run he will. You can always start by ordering a new keycard (one hundred and eighty pounds thankyou) and so it will begin the never ending money pit.
nicely worded i will give you that. the bit about the egg does it for me
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Originally Posted by Alan Croves View Post
they cars became to reliable and they profits dropped and they dealerships started to complain, (I don't recall Renault - or any French car for that matter, ever winning customer satisfaction surveys)

the most basic of jobs seem to require you to (refer to your local dealer) or (you will require Renault tool so and so) plus you have to strip half the car before you start on the smallest of jobs.
(What car manufacturer doesn't? As soon as ECU's became fitted - the days of roadside maintenance with the socket set became a thing of the past)

Don't get me wrong, I'm not blindly defending the brand - nor am I trivialising your experience with your car (my first reply was intended as tongue in cheek). But in all honesty, built-in obsolescence has been around for many decades - it used to be corrosion which would scrap a car, nowadays, its failure & replacement of expensive electronics which is most likely to sentence a car to the grave.

All cars have problems, coil pack issues are not limited to Renaults (for example), but if you read all the postings on owner websites - you would quickly adopt a very jaded view of all things Renault (or whatever brand you care to name).

If anything, the manufacturer's recognition that quality has to be improved should be given some positive reaction, rather than simply lambasted.


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Presumably this was an ad for the Laguna III, which uses the 1.5 and 2.0 dCi units... not a hint of the previously troublesome 1.9dCi in sight.

And most of the 1.9's problems were down to the original oil spec not being good enough (Renault's fault) and the service interval being too long (also Renault's fault.) These problems were both addressed in later examples of the Laguna II, improving the reliability of this engine considerably.

So while I have to admit that this was a good rant, I'm not entirely sure what the point was. If anything, Renault have realised their mistakes and moved on. The fact that they're not prepared to admit them (beyond the Yellow OTS on turbo replacements) is a political decision that most manufacturers would probably have gone with.

As for Renaults previously being too reliable - that was nearly a coffee on monitor moment. Yes, they took a distinct slump in the late 90's to early 2000s, but they were never the epitome of reliability to start out with.

The Laguna piloted the keycard and the pressure sensor monitors (on a mainstream car at least) and the owners paid the price of progress. Then again, if we didn't have progress, we'd all still be starting our cars with a big handle through the front bumper.
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