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Avantime, Vel Satis or Citroen XM..?

Hi all

I'm a newbie and have joined specifically because I am seriously thinking of jumping the good ship Citroen (not because of problems, just fancy a change) to Renault for my next daily driver and wanted some feedback from Avantime and Vel Satis owners past and present.

I'm currently driving a V6 Citroen Xantia on a 98S, which is in great condition and less than 49,000 miles. It's also a one off colour combination of black exterior/beige leather interior. Prior to this I had a late V6 24v Citroen XM (on a 99T) but was high on miles - so sold it and bought the Xantia as a stop gap until I could find a less leggy XM... 18 months later and I'm now in a bit of a quandary.

Firstly, I've found an immaculate, late (00W) V6 XM, which has just had its gearbox replaced (similar problems to V6 Renaults by the sound of things). The price is high for an XM (just under 5k) but I love the look and feel of them. However, I know essentially they're a late 1980s car and consequently I'm considering either an Avantime V6 Privilege (with autobox) or a Vel Satis 3.5 V6 Initiale. I know both cars are known for not being up to BMW standards for ride and handling according to magazine reports but I'm actually interested in a comfortable, fast cruiser rather than something that corners on rails. I also read reports of interior fragility...

I guess if there was the odd one locally (I'm in Lincoln) I could try both and then compare with my XM experiences but sadly they're like rocking horse muck around here so that's a no go.

Obviously, as and when I come close to buying one, I'll try them both (somehow!) but for the time being I'd be really appreciative of your views as a past or present owner. Especially if you've also previously had an XM...

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Hello & Welcome to the Forums Keith

We have a number of Members who are Vel Satis owners and a few Avantime owners, Hopefully they will be able to advise you further shortly.

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Hello and welcome to the forum.

Your obviously into your French oddities!..I personally don't have any Vel Satis or Avantime experience,but I have worked on quite a few XM's,and I've got to be honest,I would leave them well alone!.Reliability is poor,and they are an absolute nightmare to work on.

We do have a few Avay and Vel owners on here,and although the cars do suffer from poor build quality,they seem to be in love with their cars!. Coil failures are common on V6 models,and depending on which engine bank the coil is on it can be an expensive job to replace them.

Neither car is to my own taste,but I can see the attraction.

I'd rather push my Alfa than drive a BMW....
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Greetings Keith

I owm an Avantime. As most on here are aware it's not been trouble free motoring!

Anyway they can be picked up for 6-7k now - the main problem is that there are only c.300 in the country. Most are coming up to 5 years old - time for a belt change. If you want one get one that has had it or knock down the price! The belt change is c.1200!!!

I can honestly say that I love mine. I test drove an Audi A5 the other week and whilst it's a fantastic car I wouldn't give up the Avantime for it - I would have to own both!

People do stop and look! Have a go in one. As a motorway car it is fab!!

As for coil problems I am keeping a spare in the boot so the RAC can mend it saving taking it to a garage.
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Keith, I used to own an XM (and CX's before that) - now have a Vel Satis, and I used to live in Lincoln!

The Vel Satis is a 54 plate 2.2 with loads of whistles and bells. Bought it as a one year old with 12,000 miles on it - just over two years later and it's covered 61,000. No major problems - trip meter failed for no good reason (switched to km's - couldn't be re-set by Renault - complete new unit needed) Oh, the oil seal behind the flywheel failed and needed replacing. Apart from that, nothing to mention. Discs and pads replaced on the front after 50,000 miles, rear discs and pads still original. When the warranty expired, I extended the manufacturers warranty to 5 years/100k miles.

Service wise, the Renault main dealers (generally) know as little about the VS as Citroen dealers knew about the XM. Controversial opinion coming up - there's nothing fundementally wrong with either car, it's the quality of care and maintenance provided by dealers mmore interested in selling and servicing family hatchbacks.

Driving wise, it's fine - the 2.2 is reasonably quiet and does 35 - 39 mpg depending how hard I can it and how quickly the M4 moves. On a regular run form Wakefield back to Newbury it does 42 if I stick to 70 ish. Very comfortable, plenty of space, particularly for passengers.

On balance, would I go for the XM or the VS? If the XM is really good, I'd go for it in a heartbeat. There are plenty of VS's around - usually 30 - 35 on Autotrader each week. Not many good, late XM's around -Wolsey House Motors generally have some good stock now the XM centre in Oxford has gone over to C5's. Now, when C6's start to drop.....there's a lunatic choice if ever there was one.

Or you could go get a V10 diesel VW Phaeton.....

As for the Avantime - if they'd imported a diesel into the UK, I reckon I'd have had one like a shot.

Good luck!
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