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due to my job and the hours i work i am often driving down deserted roads with not a soul in sight and yet the bloody cameras are still there!!.. i admit that i often speed in order to complete my round and i slow down near cameras to protect my licence.
just ask yourself which option is best

1..a truck driver exceeding the speed limit but fully focused on traffic/pedestrians and driving with consideration.

2.. a truck driver not watching the road ahead but looking down at his speedo to ensure he's not speeding and consequently not driving with due care and attention.

give me a bobby in a panda anyday.(showing my age now )

last thought on this of december my truck ( and all others around the country) will be limited to 55mph thanks to a new law just passed. if the goverment are SO concerned that speed kills why not limit all cars to no more than 70mph??
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There's has never been any research into whether speed cameras can actually cause accidents. Everytime you are driving along at a decent speed, along with other motorists all doing roughly the same speed... The person in front see's the camera and hits his brakes... he might not even be speeding, but it's instinct. I've had to hit my brakes because the car in front did, all because of a speed camera.

And yes, it's more dangerous to be constantly checking your speed and looking for cameras. The fact is, it's impossible for every motorist to spot every single road sign when driving. They change the limits on open stretches of roads because they reckon people speed along it. Well, if it's an open stretch of road... They can safely go faster, put the speed limits in place along twisty sections with concealed junctions... But that might actually be useful, most people do slow down for corners... so less chance of raising revenue that way.
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Originally Posted by Heckler
it was an LS20 (I think) laser speed gun and asked why. So I told him I had been reading up about a thing called 'slip effect' on those types of cameras and how easy they get confused, how the laser itself isn't sighted down the same direction as the viewfinder, but is manually set... thus leading to increased chance of the laser detecting the speed from other vehciles, through poor sigting or reflective echoes.
I think the device you are refering to is the LTI 20-20. That has been banned in several states in the US due to the 'slip effect' you mention.

In fact, it is NOT a laser device. It is infrared. Infrared beams 'scatter' as they leave the gun, and can produce a beam upto 1.5 metres wide at the range typically used in speed traps. The manufacturers know this, so there is software built in to the gun which averages the returning signals to give a 'best guess' of your actual speed.

You've probably seen many speed traps where the copper is using the gun without a tripod. Do they seriously expect us to believe he can keep it aimed at your number plate (the flat reflective surface they are supposed to aim at) while your car is moving, and his hand is also moving to keep the gun aimed?

There has been a famous example of just how useless these 'laser' guns are. During a recess in a court case the defence solicitor picked up the gun and pointed it at the wall 30 feet away. According to the gun the building was travelling towards him !
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OK the way I see it is...

Speed or "Safety" cameras do not work. To clarify that statement, if we assume, as the government etc state, that the aim of cameras is to enforce the speed limit and therefore increase safety then they do not work. Plain and simple. They work if the target is to raise revenue.

There are plenty of speed cameras in London. The majority of the ones I have seen are not placed in known accident blackspots, therefore do not help safety. They are placed on dual carrigways normally on downhills or in some cases on the wrong side of bends. The effect is that speeding drivers see them at the last minute and brake hard surely this is more dangerous and a better solution is to place the camera before a bend where it can be seen. As far as placing on downhills, if the road is a dual carrigway and straight with good visibility etc. how can they have any benifit except revenue. I have been travelling at 40 in a 40 zone only to have to brake to below 30 because other drivers do not know the limit and brake hard when they see a camera. Again hardly a means of ensuring safety. The road I live in has 3 schools in it and several speed bumps and a "check your speed" display, none of which stops people doing 50+ in a 30 zone. Surely this would be a better position for cameras if safety were the objective.

Surely if there were more mobile traffic cops they could stop drivers who exceeed the limits or who are just driving dangerously then show them a video replay of their driving, perhaps that would have more of an effect.

Yes speed kills, but the issue should not be cust speed it should be on observation and general awareness of the road conditions. Statistics show that more people die falling over in the house (down stairs, baths, showers etc than are killed on roads) perhaps we all need cameras in the house to prevent us harming ourselves in our haste to get ready in the morning. Or perhaps common sense needs to be exercised by both drivers and the authorities. Perhaps then the roads will become safer without the need for cameras and the like.
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