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I thought they were using these chips to monitor weight, so we're not overloading our bins. I don't disagree with that, as the loading lifts can only take so much weight.

What i don't like the idea of is some scumbag going through my bins to gather ID information. I don't throw anything out with personal information on, but sometimes i do forget i.e. if a catalogue comes in a plastic wrapper - my name and address is clearly printed on it. A few more details and hey-presto someone can apply for a credit card in my name! How about wheelie-bin security?? Alarms, or some kind of locking mechanism??

After all, we are paying for this service - rant over!
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How I understand is that the bin wagon could register the weight of rubbish being tipped in it and the chip would tell it which bin was being emptied so 'they' would know how much waste you were getting rid of. 'They' could then charge you based on this!

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Originally Posted by mag1

Most of these chips are placed on the underside of the lip near the top left hand side of the bin and not on open view or on the underside of the bin. look for a black cap approx 2 inch across with two holes in the capped area.

This cap unscrews and inside is a black tidily wink approx the size of a six pence piece. That's the spy chip

RFID stands for Radio Frequency IDentification, a technology that uses tiny computer chips which track items.

My area has only provided chipped bins to a small proportion
of residents, this would mean a Disproportionate tax being levied
on the households who are unfortunate to have been supplied with these
chipped bins how unfair.

Does any one know what is stored on these chips?
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I don't know what's stored, but RFID tags can be either read only or read/write, with the latter generally costing more.

At a most basic level, I'd assume they'd have a unique read-only serial number. A read/write chip might also maintain details of when the bin was last emptied, to try and catch out people with my little plan (wheel the bin into the next street that has a different collection date.) With the date stored locally on the chip and some kind of indicator on the truck, the collectors could refuse to empty bins that had already been emptied within so many days.

Billing by weight would, in some regards, be fairer than the proportion of everyone's council tax that currently goes into refuse disposal. Our local recycling scheme was prompted not by the desire to 'go green' but by the fact that they're rapidly running out of landfill space to dump the stuff in. The more weight (or more likely, volume) that you throw in the main bin, the quicker the landfills fill up. Apparently once our current local ones are full, our council tax bills are going to shoot through the roof.

Of course if you charge by weight, you'll then get some people who'll dump heavy rubbish in other people's bins while they're not looking. As for me? I'd be bagging up the heavy stuff, lobbing it in the trailer and running it up to the tip (although our local tip now requires a permit for large trailers, and you only get so many permits per year.)
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I used to be a manager for a refuse collection company that serviced a Local authority. The subject of chipped bins was raised on several occaisions.

Chipped bins are usually used in the commercial waste field. The purpose is so that drivers can get an exact location on bins they have to collect. i.e. company address is usually in the main road but bin may be in rear access road.

The secondary reason, again for commercial, is that when the bin is tipped it is registered as tipped and the client charged accordingly ( less chance of "you've missed my collection" complaints especially when you know it's been done & they are trying it on.

Some councils are using chipped bins as a means for recovery if stolen, some to ensure crews are working correctly, some to monitor recycling take up. To my knowledge the idea of using it for charging domestic residents is not a function at the moment although in an attempt to drive up recycling figures it was proposed to limit the amount of general waste collected per house and charge excess on amounts over this limit.
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