Thanks for the info in the pioneer speakers!!
The standard ones are the biggest bag of ¤¤¤¤e i've ever seen!!!!!
Was it hard to get tho the front tweeters tho ar there in the dash?
No, I think it takes about 5 seconds to get the covers off, and the tweeters just lift out. You then unplug them, stick the new ones in, and they just slot straight back.
I think the set came with instructions on how to fit the speakers into every model of Renault they are for, including the Vel Satis. There were pictures and everything. If you want I can check tonight as I still have the box back at home.
Fitting the speakers in the door was more tricky, as various pieces of trim have to be "flexed" out of position rather than unbolted, however I'm no mechanic and I managed ok.
I think I will order a set for the back now, as I had to heavily bias the front speakers to avoid the incredible blurring comeing from the back ones when I crank it up. As it is it is ok, but I think it will be brilliant with these things all round.