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Proton Savvy 2009 Rear Brakes

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#1 ·
Hey y'all, I have a new challenge now. I need to change the Rear brake pads? I found enough videos to learn how to change it. I just need to know what kind of Brake pads to buy? I can't seem to find it in the manual?

Are brake pads and brake disc the same or different?

P.S. where do everyone buy cheap parts from? I've been only going on Ebay and sometimes they don't have it.

Thanks in advance
 
#4 ·
Eurocarparts, enter your reg,,
Brake pads, or brake shoes..
If you can see this through your rear wheel.
Then pads
D1415 EBC Standard Brake Discs Front (PAIR) fit PROTON Satria Neo Savvy | eBay
Can not find any brake pads rear, for a savvy.
Only brake shoes,,,,,
I think I need brake pads. It's making a grinding noise lol. Actually I found this site: PROTON Savvy - 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 - autoevolution
It says rear is 'drum'? Is the brake shoe the part that holds the brake pads?

on a quick check only showing shoes ...put your reg in and double check its correct and check this weeks code saveme to get 31% off

Brake Shoes | Car Parts | Brake Parts | Euro Car Parts
Cheers thanks will have a good browse to find other parts too ;)
 
#7 ·
If it's drums on the rear then you need shoes.
Like this
APEC REAR BRAKE SHOES FOR PROTON SAVVY 1.2 1/2006- 4584
(for example only, check they are right for your model and shop around)
Each side has a pair, you will need all 4.

Yes, grinding from rear on braking indicates shoes are worn out.

Without wanting to put you off, have you ever changed shoes before??
 
#9 ·
If it's drums on the rear then you need shoes.
Like this
APEC REAR BRAKE SHOES FOR PROTON SAVVY 1.2 1/2006- 4584
(for example only, check they are right for your model and shop around)
Each side has a pair, you will need all 4.

Yes, grinding from rear on braking indicates shoes are worn out.

Without wanting to put you off, have you ever changed shoes before??
Silly me now I understand what you guys were saying. I didn't know Drum/shoes was also the brakes I thought it I needed brake pads which I'm use to hearing?
No my friend I haven't changed brake shoes before? I just finished watching a youtube vid and looks a little complicated with the springs and all?
The other youtub vid with brake pads looked easier to replace. Cool I can search for Drum/shoe brakes and hopefully cheap. I did inquiry at the workshop but it was a little expensive for brakes and labor? So thought I give it a go.

Far man my car has done almost 55,000km and already I need to change the rear breaks?

We did, wanted to make certain,,
You will need to get the drum off,, once off, take lots of pictures..
Dont guess how the springs are fitted, or retaining clips ,.
Make sure the shoes you replace, are for that side of the car you are working on, it is easy to get them wrong.
That youtub vid I watched did the exact same. True so if it is the left rear brake is that the one I buy?
 
#8 ·
We did, wanted to make certain,,
You will need to get the drum off,, once off, take lots of pictures..
Dont guess how the springs are fitted, or retaining clips ,.
Make sure the shoes you replace, are for that side of the car you are working on, it is easy to get them wrong.
 
#10 ·
Brake shoes, as with brake pads, come as an axle set.
So you will end up with four brake shoes, two for each side.
Brake shoes, or pads MUST be changed on both sides i.e. left and right side of the car. Shoes made by one manufacturer , might not be the same material used by another manufacturer ,,,,. So the braking efficiency on each wheel would/could be different. Thats why both sides get changed, with the new shoes.
If you have never changed shoes on a car,, and are unsure, then a garage will be your only option.
Not in any way saying you could not change them. If you are quite handy, then it will not be a problem..

BUT, if any doubt in Your mind, then for the cost of a garage doing them, that might be your best route..
If you do decide that you are able to do them..Take lots of pictures, before you remove the springs and clips...
 
#18 ·
Very rare they come with springs and clips, usually, just the shoes, you reuse your springs and clips......
You can buy the springs and clips
Brake Shoe Fitting Kit fits PROTON SAVVY 1.1 Rear BBA6077 Braymann Quality New | eBay
But very rarely needed,
You should not need new drums
Oh I see. All good then will make the purchase tomorrow. So does that mean I only need the shoe?

Sorry guys I forgot to mention the top picture is my front and rear wheel but the ones beneath with the brake disc off and the brake disc is not mine. I will jack it up in the morning and have a look to see if the clips and springs are not too bad to use?

If that pic is your back brakes, springs and clips look fine.
I will take a photo of my one and post it here. Going off Ours2012 I probably only need the shoe.
 
#16 ·
Just downloaded it, and enlarged it,,, brake linings are good also..
How much dust came out...
Does this noise only come,,, when the brake pedal is pressed.
Or it is there permanently .....
 
#23 ·
Ok,, stop and have a look at the job,, centre of the drum,,, large nut held in position with a split pin..

First remove the split pin..
Now undo and remove the nut.........
Once removed,, lightly tap the drum as you turn and pull it towards you...
This will allow it to come off...
Once off you will see your shoes..

SHOEScome in a set of 4, YOU are buying four, not two....
Shoes and pads,,,, always come in an axle set.....
An axle set, is either the front two wheels.
Or the back two wheels.
So once bought, you have an axle set,,,,, not just two brake shoes,,,, but four brake shoes
 
#25 ·
Ok,, stop and have a look at the job,, centre of the drum,,, large nut held in position with a split pin..

First remove the split pin..
Now undo and remove the nut.........
Once removed,, lightly tap the drum as you turn and pull it towards you...
This will allow it to come off...
Once off you will see your shoes..

SHOEScome in a set of 4, YOU are buying four, not two....
Shoes and pads,,,, always come in an axle set.....
An axle set, is either the front two wheels.
Or the back two wheels.
So once bought, you have an axle set,,,,, not just two brake shoes,,,, but four brake shoes
In regards to the split pin what do I use to remove it? Is there a certain way to take it off? I can not find any youtube vids on it?

Now I get it. I know the difference between all of them arrhh took me this long. I was assuming all this time it came in set of two for one wheel and not both? That's why I thought it would cost me too much. I was already stunned by the cost of the mechanic labor lol.

Cool, that's settles the shoe brakes. I was shopping around and found these product brand: Protex, Bendix., and Hi-Tec. I was going to buy the cheap one Protex on Ebay but after reading the reviews it seem like it's not a quality brand? What are you guys using or have used for a Proton Savvy?

Just in case the drum does not come off easy,,,,,
MAKING sure the hand brake is off
Replace the wheel,, dont lower the car, put two wheel nuts on, on opposite studs ,,,, dont tighten the wheel nuts.. Just finger tight, enough that the wheel will slightly wobble..
Use this for extra leverage, but as you pull,,,,on each side of the wheel, keep turning the wheel.
Be VERY careful, that nothing is behind you,,, .
If the drum should come off ,,, a bit to quick,,,, and something is behind you,,, and you should fall back..
You could hurt yourself, and end up :crying2:
That is tricky to do. I am hoping the lubricant oil WD40 will untighten it and make come off? But yeah I will make sure I am very careful since this will be my first time changing the brakes.
I gotta get the brake cleaner and anti-seize lubricant too. But yeah I wait til I hear more about the rear brake brand?
 
#24 ·
Just in case the drum does not come off easy,,,,,
MAKING sure the hand brake is off
Replace the wheel,, dont lower the car, put two wheel nuts on, on opposite studs ,,,, dont tighten the wheel nuts.. Just finger tight, enough that the wheel will slightly wobble..
Use this for extra leverage, but as you pull,,,,on each side of the wheel, keep turning the wheel.
Be VERY careful, that nothing is behind you,,, .
If the drum should come off ,,, a bit to quick,,,, and something is behind you,,, and you should fall back..
You could hurt yourself, and end up :crying2:
 
#26 ·
On Ebay I'm finding quite a few Mintex or Delphi shoe sets under 20 pounds
Or TRW just above.
I'd choose any of them.

I'm also finding sets around a tenner but tend to avoid really cheap brake parts... just in case.

This is what a split pin looks line before fitting.
1mm (1/32") A2 STAINLESS STEEL SPLIT PINS COTTER PIN DIN 94 - CLEVIS | eBay
The pin is split down the middle and the two halves at the open end are bent over once pushed through the nut.
Screwdriver, small hammer and pair of pliers (pointy tips) are usual suspects to straighten them out enough to pull out.
Best to fit new ones though old can be carefully tapped straight and re-used.
 
#28 ·
On Ebay I'm finding quite a few Mintex or Delphi shoe sets under 20 pounds
Or TRW just above.
I'd choose any of them.

I'm also finding sets around a tenner but tend to avoid really cheap brake parts... just in case.

This is what a split pin looks line before fitting.
1mm (1/32") A2 STAINLESS STEEL SPLIT PINS COTTER PIN DIN 94 - CLEVIS | eBay
The pin is split down the middle and the two halves at the open end are bent over once pushed through the nut.
Screwdriver, small hammer and pair of pliers (pointy tips) are usual suspects to straighten them out enough to pull out.
Best to fit new ones though old can be carefully tapped straight and re-used.
Those other brands will take a while to ship from the UK since I need them urgently. If I would of known earlier I could of bought the Delphi or Mintex and waited for them.
I guess will go with Protex for now until later can buy the quality one. I am no boy racer so normally drive steady and to the speed limit hoping not to slammed on the brakes as much.

Gonna try and remove the drum, and pin first.

Can not help on brand of brake shoes, as go to my local factor.
Whatever he recommends I pick up,,, ( Not pay for parts, my customers do )
Your split pin,, have a look, you will need to close the two tails together, straighten them .. Then with a pair of pliers , pull it out..
Careful some come out really easy ,, some you can struggle with
No worries. Will see how these Protex go since the auto part store could only find those ones.
 
#27 ·
Can not help on brand of brake shoes, as go to my local factor.
Whatever he recommends I pick up,,, ( Not pay for parts, my customers do )
Your split pin,, have a look, you will need to close the two tails together, straighten them .. Then with a pair of pliers , pull it out..
Careful some come out really easy ,, some you can struggle with
 
#29 ·
Damn I got the penetrating oil and still can not remove the drum off? I've watched a few videos and still no luck.

Has anyone here removed a Proton Savvy rear drum before? Would kindly appreciate your help?

P.S. Oh I think I remember someone mentioning the Split Pin? I just read up that I will need a new split pin anyway to replace. So the split pin goes in and do I bend it exactly how it is right now? How do I know which pin to buy?

Thanks
 
#30 ·
You have taken the split pin out.
You have undone and removed the nut.
You have released the handbrake in side the car.
Will the drum now turn, if yes, it will come off.

Replace the wheel, and at the same time you turn, pull, turn and pull, it will come off.
If you have a very deep lip on your drum, this could stop it coming past the shoes.
You will not be able to see this lip, but this could/will stop it coming off.
So this is where the wheel , being replaced, and used as extra leverage comes in.
But it is turning and pulling, it will be the same for everyone, not just you..
 
#31 ·
Mate, I need the new split pin first before taking it off? It is recommended to have a new one ready before removing the split pin and replacing it. Of course you knew that, right?

The manual doesn't say which split pin it is? I will ring the auto part and see what they say since they have in store.
 
#37 ·
Hey guys, looked like I messed up. I went in too far and now I can't get it right :(

OK I am going to say it step by.

1. Safety precaution; wheel block, and tools ready to go. Floor jacked the car safely.
2. Wheel off.
3. Emergency hand brake off.
4. I removed the cap and split/cotter pin and the rest of the assembly bearings, etc. The drum can come off now.
5. I removed one shoe brake off first starting with the hand brake shoe and then the springs until all was off.
6. I used brake cleaner and now the wheel is looking cleaned and better.
7. I put the new shoe brakes on along with the springs and it was exactly how was before.

The only problem I am having now is getting the drum back on. It does not fit?

Please guys can you help me I need my car for the week? I took photos of it and I was looking at the slave cylinder. Noticed the one of the left is pressed in more and the right on the 2nd images with the white drawing line is opened? If I could close the right side then I reckon I could get the drum back on.



What you guys think?
 

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#38 ·
Push shoes over a little and possibly up.
They have to be exactly centred for drum to go on.
A good tip is to look at the wear marks on the back plate and push the new shoes to them.

May also have to back the adjuster off some to allow for new shoe thickness.

That is the bar at top back (you can see it in top photo) with the knurled nut.
Lift the spring plate a little and you can rotate the nut with the end of the screwdriver.
With the spring plate on, it will rotate one way but not other.....that "other" way is the way to reduce the length and hence allow for the new shoes.

Don't back it off too far, just enough to let the drum push on with a little force.
Too loose and the brakes will not work proper.

Is that top cross spring clipped to right place on the left?
Check against photos you took before dismantling
 
#39 ·
Is that top cross spring clipped to right place on the left?
Check against photos you took before dismantling
Yup, I thought that looked wrong. IMHO should be in the slot in the shoe, just behind the vertical rod.
 
#43 ·
I dont have many images left of savvy bits but I do have one of the brakes and how they should look when new shoes have been fitted..its off Known clones car when he changed his..you need to back of both hand brake cables and the adjuster is at the side of the handbrake under cover..also as DD has said you will need to back off the auto adjusters to get the drum on and that should do it..
 

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