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Re: Renault ''Twizy''

Originally Posted by d'espace between my ears View Post
This thread has rather drifted off topic somewhat. In an attempt to steer it back on course then I will agree that everyone has their own preference and if it suits you then so be it. I wonder if it is a fad that will soon pass.

I cannot see any future for wholly electric vehicles despite the pressure that governments place on manufacturers and which they in turn place on us. Battery technology is simply not sufficiently advanced, and is not moving forward at a rate needed to save them, IMHO

Batteries simply do not have the range, take too long to charge and are too heavy for the vehicles to have a sufficiently wide appeal to be commercially sustainable. There is still no battery that can accept the constant charge and discharge cycle that these vehicles will demand combined with a long lifespan. Nobody even knows for sure how long the batteries will last, which is one of the reasons you don't buy them with the vehicle but lease them. Their cost is another. From 48 a month to lease, Renault are keeping very quiet about their replacement cost but if as some commentators suggest they begin to fail after only 18 months then they are going to have a large write off on their hands. How long will they sustain such losses?

OK, a few will get sold at the get go. As Twizyowner has demonstrated an electric vehicle does the job for him, but will a self renewable market develop? I very much doubt it. I get the distinct impression that in a few years time these things will end up on ebay with the same image as a Sinclair C5.

What will explode on to the market in the next two or three years is the plug in Hybrid. A vehicle capable of travelling commuter distances on electric power alone, with the comfort and practicality of a full sized vehicle and the range and instant refuelability of a petrol or diesel tank.

Who knows, one day there may even be a plug in Hybrid XJR?

I have read a lot of articles about the twizy, this was one of the best.

They all seem to reach the same conclusions though, the one which surely would be most concerning to all EV manufacturers would be their "impracticality in towns and cities". That must be very concerning.
One of the things that went through my mind when I bought the Twizy was that unless people support the early versions of innovative new ideas then the later versions never get built at all as the technology dies a death.

I work in IT and take Windows for example, Windows 1 had no overlapping Windows, Windows 2 was limited but never worked well, Windows 3 was the first one that worked, Millenium was flawed, XP was not bad, Visa was flawed, Windows 7 was pretty good and Windows 8 looks to be very good but if we had given up at Windows 1 we would never have seen 8!

I will enjoy my Twizy as much in its way as I enjoy the XJR and will use it for as many journeys as practical. At the back of my mind i will know I have helped and also got a 100% corporation tax allowance worth close to 25% of list price, a 0% benefit in kind tax, no congestion charge, no fuel as such, low cost membership of source london, free parking in Westminster too.. Not a bad package really when it comes down to it..

Also, my XJR will depreciate less and I will get an extra year or two from that car which is great as its the most amazing car I have ever owned (sorry twizy).
Currently in twizyowner's garage:
2007 Jaguar XJR Portfolio and 2012 Renault Twizy Colour
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