: Foglights: Do you use them responsibly?


delta1066
5th February 2008, 01:52 PM
Night after night I am blinded by other drivers needlessly using their foglights when there is no fog.

Most drivers seem to think the vehicle looks 'cool' with the fog lights turned on without realising that it's dangerous to the oncoming traffic.

So, my question is, do you or have you ever used your foglights needlessly?

dave_mezza2006
5th February 2008, 02:00 PM
Ive voted maybe, I did use to use them on my old Laguna I as the halogen lights were pretty rubbish on their own.

HOWEVER, I have no need now as I have xenon headlights (so much brighter) on the Lag II, which means I dont need to use the foglights anymore (unless its foggy - DUH ! ) :d

I remember getting stopped by the fuzz once in my Vectra SRI coz I had my fogs on. I knew it was illegal and could be done for it, but just pleaded ignorance to the law and smiled sweetly and got away with a ticking off ! LOL.

Tiggerz_SRi
5th February 2008, 02:01 PM
I have in the past in my boy racer days. Now just use them when its foggy, HEAVY spray on a motorway or really dark unlit back roads round here.

moi
5th February 2008, 02:02 PM
Have only ever used mine once and it was foggy,another light bugbear round here is the amount of cars that do not dip their lights when another car is coming, dazzling full beams could easily cause an accident

dave_mezza2006
5th February 2008, 02:02 PM
I have in the past in my boy racer days. Now just use them when its foggy, HEAVY spray on a motorway or really dark unlit back roads round here.

And when taking pics of your mottah eh tigger ! :d

carl66
5th February 2008, 02:15 PM
Summer time really brings out the t---s who permanently have them turned on!. Summer day, blue Sky's, 25c and fog lights on:crazy: fools I say!.

Next time you see a car with them switched on take a good look at the driver, it will confirm all your preconceptions about these people!;) and if you cant see well enough with just the headlights then its really time to have your eyes tested or stop driving. There always seems to be an excuse to say" LOOK AT ME IM CLEVER I CAN DRIVE AROUND WITH MY FOG LIGHTS ON!"

madnoel10
5th February 2008, 03:16 PM
Any time I came across one these little twats with their fogs lit for no other reason than "posing" I tend to get mad:steam: If the wife is with me in the car she usually gives the "V" for victory shouts "narcissistic twats" (you can tell she done a degree in trick-cycling can't you) and starts to sing the "posing boy racer song" which goes something like this "I love, I love me, I'm daft about myself..... We both then break out laughing!!:rofl:
She has also been known to sing the song in super markets when some idiot starts to have a full blow converstaion on his/her mobile phone in the middle of the aisle and block other customers. Once a little spide challenged her about singing and she just claimed she was getting to that stage of life when we start talikng to ourselves - Oh Happy Days indeed:rofl:

daft_plonk
5th February 2008, 03:23 PM
my megane doesnt even have them, lol

madnoel10
5th February 2008, 03:52 PM
Even rear fogs can be dazzling in traffic on a wet dark night:)

chiefkeefe
5th February 2008, 04:17 PM
I use the rear fog warning lights ONLY when absolutely necessary (and legal). There's nothing worse than being sat behind a car and being blinded by the array of high intensity reds. (All automatic drivers please note!)

I don't have front fogs fitted to my Kangoo (and wouldn't use them anyway because experience shows that they do nothing other than annoy people :mad: ).

tankface
5th February 2008, 04:36 PM
I've not used the foggy's yet as I haven't needed to. Only time I've used full beam is when going down an unlit country lane about a week ago at 9pm.

...And on my first night drive when I flashed someone not knowing you pull the light stalk back and it clicks the full beam on. I ended up blinding two people and mounting the kerb as it sent me a bit doolally cos I wasn't expecting it - I'm used to the Vauxhalls "pull back to flash, push forward to turn on" arrangement.

Ah the joys of being a new driver :crazy: :o

swfcowl5
5th February 2008, 04:55 PM
same with mine i had a vectra with pull to flash and back to full beam got in this and did same thing to someone though didnt mount kerbs but now just pull it slighlty before the ckick and im fine

stef123
5th February 2008, 05:23 PM
I would say im a responsible driver but that doesn't seem to go well, but I only use the fog lights when its foggy(believe it or not) or when driving down an unlit country road. I always turn them off if there is a car infront or coming the other way. There is nothing worse than being blinded by fog lights, and everyone seems to use them round here like they are going out of fashion.
stef123

carl66
5th February 2008, 05:24 PM
I agree rear fog lights can also be a menace when used in the wrong situation, drizzle rain a night it can be hard to distinguish between them and brake lights. It does make me scratch my head tho:confused: especially on the motorway when its p---ing it down and you cant see the end of your nose that people don't put them on, its probably the same people who drive around in summer with the front ones blazing away:crazy:

Horatio
5th February 2008, 06:39 PM
I must confess that I used to use them instead of the headlights on the Mazda sometimes. My reasoning was that a car with pop-up lights was likely to have marginally better performance and significantly better economy with the headlights retracted. In any case, that was well over a decade ago.

Personally, I think they should make front fogs a legal requirement on all cars. The only attraction of them to most people is that they set their car apart from the cheaper models in the range. In daylight hours, the badges give it away, but at night, driving with your front fogs on is by far the best way to tell someone with the poverty spec version of the same car that you're so much better than they are. :yawn:

chris m
5th February 2008, 06:40 PM
Living in London I rarely need to use them anyway, although that does not apply to the majority I see who have them on and sidelights but not dipped beams?

carl66
5th February 2008, 07:06 PM
Horatio your right they are trying to set themselves apart from normall people but not in the way they think!. When I see some one driving around with them on I don't think " Uww what a jolly nice car he must be doing really well!" I just think what a total w---er! and I think most people think the same. The same goes for after market exhausts, spoilers, body kits etc etc.

scatz
5th February 2008, 07:18 PM
You've only gotta ask my wife about this one :steam: :steam: . Drives me insane when people use their foglights at a time other than when it's foggy. In fact, it's very rare that the fog down this way is ever bad enough to utilise you fog lights.

Typically BMW drivers that think because they look better than their headlights they will use them for early night driving :steam:

I must say, the only time I would switch my rear foglights on when it's not actually foggy is if I were on a motorway and visability due to torrential rain was exceptionally bad - don't know whether I'm allowed to but my assumption is that it would aid drivers behind in not rear-ending me :rolleyes:

Tiggerz_SRi
5th February 2008, 07:19 PM
And when taking pics of your mottah eh tigger ! :d

That was after repairing the passenger side fog :rofl: I was checking it was working! :p :moonie:

Tiggerz_SRi
5th February 2008, 07:29 PM
You've only gotta ask my wife about this one :steam: :steam: . Drives me insane when people use their foglights at a time other than when it's foggy. In fact, it's very rare that the fog down this way is ever bad enough to utilise you fog lights.

Typically BMW drivers that think because they look better than their headlights they will use them for early night driving :steam:

I must say, the only time I would switch my rear foglights on when it's not actually foggy is if I were on a motorway and visability due to torrential rain was exceptionally bad - don't know whether I'm allowed to but my assumption is that it would aid drivers behind in not rear-ending me :rolleyes:

Do you not suffer from the bad sea mist that rolls in every now and again!?

pragmatix
5th February 2008, 07:53 PM
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I don't have front fogs fitted to my Kangoo (and wouldn't use them anyway because experience shows that they do nothing other than annoy people :mad: ).

Front fogs do work, but you have to turn headlamps off, the idea is that they shine under the fog, also you have to slow down.

Pete

madnoel10
5th February 2008, 07:55 PM
Do you not suffer from the bad sea mist that rolls in every now and again!?

Now Now - don't go mentioning that "red mist" that descends on him now and again:rofl:

Tiggerz_SRi
5th February 2008, 08:07 PM
Front fogs do work, but you have to turn headlamps off, the idea is that they shine under the fog, also you have to slow down.

Pete

Turn headlamps off!?

All every car I have driven needs is sidelights on at a minimum.

Headlamps and main beam work independant of this.



LMAO Noel, But you should see the sea mist roll in, Its a proper pea soupa!

carl66
5th February 2008, 08:09 PM
Do the rear ones shine under the fog also:confused: :crazy:

Bob925
5th February 2008, 08:14 PM
I very rarely use mine at all, it's nice to know they're there in case it gets really foggy, which it never does around these parts. I agree with others on the comments about people using their rear fog lihts needlessly in heavy rain - too dazzling.

Just last night on a run back home up the M1 I kept overtaking and being overtaken by a chap who had his front and rear fog lights on and full beam headlights :crazy:, no amount of "flashing" him from other road users made a difference. In the end I poot my foot down and got out of range.

swfcowl5
5th February 2008, 08:21 PM
Same Happened To Me When Coming Back On M1 From Sheffield Guy Behind Not Foggy With Full Beams And Fogs On Im In 3rd Lane And He Starts Flashin Lights Then Pipping For Me To Move Out Way (no It Wasnt The Fed) After A Few Seconds I Put Foot Down Then He Backed Off Just Annoying, Also On Little Country Lane On Way Home Loads Have Main Beam On And Dont Bother Turning Then Off No Matter How Many Times You Flash At Them

5th wheel
5th February 2008, 08:26 PM
anyone driving towards me with fogs on,i put my main beam on.i don't have them on my car,i do on my truck.iv'e never used them.i pressume they work as it is a 57 plate.

pragmatix
5th February 2008, 08:30 PM
Do the rear ones shine under the fog also:confused: :crazy:
No they just dazzle if used wrongly, visability has to be down to less than 100mtrs.

Pete A

madnoel10
5th February 2008, 08:33 PM
Threre's a rumour circulating over here in Northern Ireland that fogs may be checked for alignment during future MOT tests - now that would be fun:d

Bob925
5th February 2008, 08:36 PM
I was going to say they were used once a year for the MOT, but on thinking about it fog lights aren't covered. May well be wrong of course!

swfcowl5
5th February 2008, 08:39 PM
I Dont Think They Are As I Fitted My Own Fogs And Asked When It Went In For Mot To Check Them Said Its Not A Requirement

delta1066
5th February 2008, 10:50 PM
Also On Little Country Lane On Way Home Loads Have Main Beam On And Dont Bother Turning Then Off No Matter How Many Times You Flash At Them

You know I experienced this once and I kept flashing at the g!t but he just wouldn't take the hint. Slowly drove past him and it was a bloody cop car! I couldn't beleive it - He could of caused a serious accident.

About 2 months later, the same thing happened again (different road) right on a blind bend. A police VAN this time where the head lights are mounted about a foot higher than a car. I was totally blinded and very nearly came off the road as I was approaching a bend when they blinded me.

ww.
5th February 2008, 11:14 PM
Yes, I use them. Only on unlit country roads though, headlights on my megane arn't the best, improved though with fancy extra bright bulbs from Halfords (still 55w and definately road legal!!!)

jimmysomerville
6th February 2008, 03:18 PM
I'm the same, I live in the country and they really help light up the sides of the road. But just for them t**ts that use them everywhere else I've upgraded my bulbs too. not legal sorry to say but as they not tested on the MOT it seems not to matter much! Unless they get a facefull of them. Suppose that makes me as bad as them.

Something I hate just as much as foglights aimed at me is these assholes who park on the wrong side of the road late at night leaving their lights on full beam when they're going to knock on a mates door or whatever they do. Doesnt matter what you do cos there is no one in the car to turn them off.

Bit of steam off my chest there!!

tankface
6th February 2008, 05:34 PM
Something I hate just as much as foglights aimed at me is these assholes who park on the wrong side of the road late at night leaving their lights on full beam when they're going to knock on a mates door or whatever they do. Doesnt matter what you do cos there is no one in the car to turn them off.

Bit of steam off my chest there!!

I agree. I've always known to turn my dipped lights off when I have to pull up (on the correct side of the road!) Sideligths (or as in this case their other name PARKING lights) are there for that exact reason :rolleyes:

Azurael
15th February 2008, 02:00 AM
Fog lights aren't what bother me, and I can see why people use them on poorly lit roads, since they're lower and tend to give you a better view of the kerb (indeed usually the front ones are called 'driving lamps' on modern vehicles), although I've never had 'em on a vehicle of my own. What does annoy me is the headlights on high vechiles at the cabin level of most cars. My dad followed me up the M4 once, and it was like having all the interior lights on! :steam:

Mikey
15th February 2008, 12:30 PM
I gotta admit I do use my front fogs, not all the time but sometimes on non foggy nights!

Main reason for this is cos I do alot of drving through lanes which are poorly lit, they brighten up the road directly infront of the car and to the sides. I have also used them when it has been hammering down with rain. I most deffo don't use them to look 'cool'!

I have been tempted to drive round with them on all the time simply because I'm totaly fed up with @<hidden> holes pulling out infront of me, I seem to attract them! I think maybe the extra light will make them see me before they pull out of a junction. I've lost count of the amount of times I've nearly lost the front end of my car! maybe I should get a siren and some flashing lights, then the buggers will see me!!!

To be fair though I don't see the problem with using foglights, the ones on my Lag are not as bright as dipped headlights and they point at the floor not at the car in front of you. Same goes for the ones I had on my MX-3 and old escort Si. I've had people driving behind me with them on and they've never bothered me. What does bug the hell out of me though is people with incorrectly adjusted dipped headlights where they point to the wrong side of the road or up in the air, some times looks like they have full beam on!
Anyways thats my rant over!!!!

cardiff_gareth
15th February 2008, 01:19 PM
Sideligths (or as in this case their other name PARKING lights) are there for that exact reason :rolleyes:

I think if you park your vehicle facing towards the oncoming traffic then its in the highway code that you must leave your side lights on. Don't think many people do this or its actually policed

cardiff_gareth
15th February 2008, 01:31 PM
What does annoy me is the headlights on high vechiles at the cabin level of most cars. My dad followed me up the M4 once, and it was like having all the interior lights on! :steam:

Nowt you can do about that, my last vehicle was a Landie and I loved it to bits, I wasn't a chelsea tractor guy, I was a member of 2 offroad clubs and took it off road all the time before anyone tries to slate me. This was lifted slightly for better off road use and also better axle articulation so it meant on the road it sat higher up. It never really was an issue as it only did 55mph max so on a motorway I never overtook anyone !
I never used the spots when there were any other cars around me as they were monsters and were for off road use so not road legal but I can see what you mean about lighting up interiors as the lights are much higher, something I have noticed even more now I'm in a low down Laguna and a 4x4 comes up from behind etc.

cardiff_gareth
15th February 2008, 01:37 PM
Also, I sometimes use my front fogs if there is little traffic on the road as there is a time of night where I find sides just don't cut it and the Xenons are too bright.

Used to do it all the time in my younger days till the old bill pulled me for it, played ignorance and got off with it but I hardly use them now.

I have found that (when no other traffic on road and where I live there are no street lights) that full beam and fogs do nothing as the Xenons are so bright that it cancels out the fog light illumination. All they do is give you a slightly wider beam of light at the very front sides of the car.

deano23285
15th February 2008, 08:27 PM
i dont use them when i dont need to

kurvz
15th February 2008, 09:29 PM
I dont have Fog Lights , but I had them before , never really needed to use them more than twice ..

I agree with the fog lights over use , but also when in dim light back rounds I see plenty of over use of full beam ..

When driving around in London I use only my sidelights as its so dam bright they are sufficient ..

Now Rear Fog Lights I use quite a lot .. Specially with the Lorry when Im out in the mist, fog and bad vis rainy days

DJ1337M
18th February 2008, 08:23 AM
i chose the last option simply because my car is not equipped with foglights

ottoman
18th February 2008, 09:39 PM
On the Scenic II they are that poor you could leave them on continuously and nobody would notice

Bob925
19th February 2008, 12:21 PM
There's plenty of people using both front and rear fog's today here - though since you can't actually see more than a few feet away I think they're OK :)

dave_mezza2006
19th February 2008, 12:28 PM
Considering how foggy it was this morning, I was amazed when I saw a couple of cars and a van without ANY lights on.

When I said I saw them, I meant barely ! Glad they were going in the other direction and not infront of me !


I had my fogs on this morning, they dont half look yellow compared to my Xenon dipped lights :( - another reason why I wont be using them day to day...lol

nthesx
19th February 2008, 05:52 PM
couldnt be ar$ed to trawl though all the posts regarding to this thread so it may have been mentioned before,but my old scenic fog lights took the excact same bulbs as the main headlights(not sure about the current lag)with regards to dazziling other road users how can this be if they the same bulb also being lower to the road than the headlights??

hondo
19th February 2008, 06:00 PM
Nope, well maybe, but only to see if they still work.

madnoel10
19th February 2008, 06:05 PM
Oh dear nthesx - maybe you should rethink just what you posted - any headlamp or foglamp is likely to dazzle other drivers if they are not correctly aligned. I have seen some foglamps that would be better used for spotting aircraft at night. Some are adjustable and worst of all - if they are low down on the bumper they rend to get dunted now and again which don't help. The Road Traffic Act states foglamps should be positioned so oncoming drivers are not dazzled.:)

nthesx
19th February 2008, 06:34 PM
yeah i knew that :o ....can i get away with a blonde moment:d

and as they are not checked at MOT time most people wouldnt knowif they plane spotting or not

OzRX4
25th February 2008, 06:56 AM
Too much to troll through here to read it all....in short we have a problem down heer in Oz with w*nkers in Suby WRX's, Holden Commodores and Ford Falcons with their 'look at me' lights ablaze in broad daylight. BMW drivers, especially the ones in pretender cars, 318i and the like who do it as well.
There are the idiots in the Hyundai coupes as well who have both front and rear ones ablaze because they don't know what switch to use :d :mad: :rofl:

Pat.w
25th February 2008, 08:42 AM
I'm not so sure that problem is restricted to Oz:)

Bob925
25th February 2008, 05:50 PM
I know someone with an Audi and he says he can't just use his front fog lights alone as the way they are switched means you have to light up the rear fog lights first. A VAG way of preventing anti-social fog light use perhaps?

chiefkeefe
25th February 2008, 07:06 PM
.. A VAG way of preventing anti-social fog light use perhaps?...

... or a devious German ploy to ensure that ALL foglights are overused, perhaps?

:rolleyes:

wobbly spoon
25th February 2008, 07:17 PM
i hate them , only genuinely had to use them a couple of times in almost thirty years driving ..once in the north of scotland and the fog was so bad we had to pull off the road and maybe twice more...i hate people leaving them on when they arent needed espacially in the rain

OzRX4
26th February 2008, 05:36 AM
I remembered one other thing the other day.
Back in the dark ages, well 1983 anyway, when I first strated driving, the rule down here for fogs was they had to be yellow and wired so they only came on with low beam and/or possibly parker lights and were not allowed to be wired seperatly or with high beam. The law also stated that if it was not actually foggy you were liable for a fine for using them. I do remember people actually having been fined for this offence back then too. That'd be a better revenue raiser than speed cameras IMHO:rofl:

Azurael
26th February 2008, 10:10 AM
I remembered one other thing the other day.
Back in the dark ages, well 1983 anyway, when I first strated driving, the rule down here for fogs was they had to be yellow and wired so they only came on with low beam and/or possibly parker lights and were not allowed to be wired seperatly or with high beam. The law also stated that if it was not actually foggy you were liable for a fine for using them. I do remember people actually having been fined for this offence back then too. That'd be a better revenue raiser than speed cameras IMHO:rofl:

Speed cameras don't make money! They are a net loss, yet there's no proof they impreove road safety. Different issue anyway.

As I pointed out, many modern vehicles don't have front 'fog lights', they have front 'driving lights', which are meant to be set up not to annoy other road users and hence the ability to operate them independently of the rear fogs... Whether or not this is actually the case is debatable, but I think there are, on occasion, legitimate uses for such lights outside of foggy conditions. That's not driving round a city with your sidelights and fogs on 'because it looks cool', it's things like using them to have a better view of the nearside kerb on country roads....

Foglights really don't bother me on oncoming vehicles - I don't know if your experience is of the great big rally style spots or something, but on most modern cars, the lights are very low-set and don't even point high enough to cause glare like normal dipped beams do!

fishnchipsx2
27th February 2008, 01:07 AM
they had to be ....wired so they only came on with low beam and/or possibly parker lights and were not allowed to be wired seperatly or with high beam.

Hmm....you've just given me an idea.

I might try sticking a peice of wire between the triggers for the fog and full-beam relays...that way, front fogs would come on with the full beams, and off.

Could even try to find some high-powered bulbs for the foglights, then those country roads would be well lit up at night! Just gotta make sure I don't delay in flicking them off for oncoming cars, or they'll be double blinded :crazy:

May be against the law, but unlikely to get done for it - I ain't gonna be driving towards coppers with full beams on, am I? :confused:

Oh, and to answer the main question, I hardly ever use my foggys...

OzRX4
27th February 2008, 05:50 AM
Foglights really don't bother me on oncoming vehicles - I don't know if your experience is of the great big rally style spots or something, but on most modern cars, the lights are very low-set and don't even point high enough to cause glare like normal dipped beams do!
DOwn here the angle of the fog light beam is the sticking point for many people. The Holden Commodore and Ford Falcons, {particularly the 'sports' models, with rear spoilers and plain steel wheels and hubcaps(not alloy wheels mind you) } seem to have the so called fog lights aimed ratehr high and do annoy other road users as it's a comment made often on many forums. Subaru WRX's seem to have poorly angled fog/spots too. Many of these fools think it's good to use the auxillary lights on rainy days which is no good either as it reflects directly into your eyes as well.
Another point, I found the fogs on the Scenic to be next to useless for driving at decent road speed as the beam spread is too wide to be of benifit

madnoel10
27th February 2008, 04:22 PM
Hmm....you've just given me an idea.

I might try sticking a peice of wire between the triggers for the fog and full-beam relays...that way, front fogs would come on with the full beams, and off.

Could even try to find some high-powered bulbs for the foglights, then those country roads would be well lit up at night! Just gotta make sure I don't delay in flicking them off for oncoming cars, or they'll be double blinded :crazy:

May be against the law, but unlikely to get done for it - I ain't gonna be driving towards coppers with full beams on, am I? :confused:

Oh, and to answer the main question, I hardly ever use my foggys...

A real nice way to fry the cars electrics. Over-rating the bulbs has been none to cause switches to burn out and start fires:steam:

Pat.w
1st March 2008, 07:19 PM
Hmm....you've just given me an idea.

I might try sticking a peice of wire between the triggers for the fog and full-beam relays...that way, front fogs would come on with the full beams, and off.

Could even try to find some high-powered bulbs for the foglights, then those country roads would be well lit up at night! Just gotta make sure I don't delay in flicking them off for oncoming cars, or they'll be double blinded :crazy:

May be against the law, but unlikely to get done for it - I ain't gonna be driving towards coppers with full beams on, am I? :confused:

Oh, and to answer the main question, I hardly ever use my foggys...

A real nice way to fry the cars electrics. Over-rating the bulbs has been none to cause switches to burn out and start fires:steam:

Not if you do it right. Take power direct from the battery through a relay. Use a wire spliced into the mainbeam power wire to trigger the relay

fishnchipsx2
2nd March 2008, 08:38 PM
Not if you do it right. Take power direct from the battery through a relay. Use a wire spliced into the mainbeam power wire to trigger the relay

Yep, the foglights run through a relay anyway which I'm sure can handle plenty of current.

daft_plonk
2nd March 2008, 09:58 PM
haha, i dont have front foggys on the megane, but i have on the saxo - sort of. they are there, but they arnt wired in as i needed a new bumper, the one i got just happend to have them in. i have also added some driving lights to the saxo, with 55watt bulbs in, but they only come on with the main beam. (because its less than great)

they get turned off as soon as annother car is coming in the opposite direction or i am over taken as i dont think many people would appreciate 220 watts of lighting power in their face!

also is it wrong to have rear fogs on during extreme rain on the motorways?

i ask as i thought id rather have them on and people can see me than go into me, because i were going allong next to a truck on the M5 near bristol.

i soulnd see behind me for my spray combined with that of the truck, and i couldnt see that far in front either. yet an audi a6 quattro were going past me, about 5mph faster (i were doing 55) and it were squirming all over the place.

that freaked me out and i went into john wood services for about an hour until the rain lightened.

Bob925
2nd March 2008, 10:18 PM
I was going along the M62 on Friday in driving rain and high winds, I was overtaking a lorry in the outside lane when a sudden headwind gust got hold of the van and I lost all power! :eek: Dropped to about 50mph from 65 suddenly and dropped right back. Too much rain for the wipers and too much side/head winds to feel very confident!

Anyway - most people seemed to have their rear foglights on as the rain was that bad and it didn't bother me, though I wonder if my high up driving position helped to reduce the glare effect.

daft_plonk
2nd March 2008, 10:26 PM
I was going along the M62 on Friday in driving rain and high winds, I was overtaking a lorry in the outside lane when a sudden headwind gust got hold of the van and I lost all power! :eek: Dropped to about 50mph from 65 suddenly and dropped right back. Too much rain for the wipers and too much side/head winds to feel very confident!


could be worse, you could have started to aqua plane, ive done it before in the saxo going to work whilst going up hill on a country lane!!

went back down the same road after i were finished and a corsa had ended up backwards halfway up a tree
(it had just missed spinning off a small bridge!)

so im not too keen on that strech of road like, mind you ive seen about 3 cars written off in the same little area and they were all corsas

Bob925
2nd March 2008, 10:49 PM
We've a country lane like that near here. A friend of mine ended up in the same hedge on his way to work and on his way home in the same day! Old Fiesta Mk1 I think that was and knowing him it probably would have had bald tyres!

fishnchipsx2
6th March 2008, 10:39 PM
Yerrp, there's a back road near here that seems to have at least one crash every single week without fail. Driving back up it at about 3am the other day I had three deer jump out in front of me :-s

fishnchipsx2
15th March 2008, 03:44 PM
Would anybody be able to indentify the position of the main-beam relay for me? I assume there is one in the passenger fusebox?

madnoel10
15th March 2008, 04:01 PM
According to the Hyanes manual there is no relay for the front headlamps on the old model Clios.:)

fishnchipsx2
15th March 2008, 04:50 PM
OK, cheers. Are there any wires near the fusebox that are live when the beams come on? I might have to get the multimeter out...

martin999
22nd April 2008, 01:49 PM
Years ago when I had a Cavalier GSi2000 I used to think it was cool to drive on sidelights and fogs, but I got p'd off people flashing me and coppers pulling me to remind me that 'It isn't foggy Sir'

Older and wiser now (maybe!), so they just get used for their intended purpose!

Bob925
22nd April 2008, 01:58 PM
I haven't got front fogs anymore :( Not that I ever used them of course...

I am investigting retro fitting some to my beloved Cav :)

Vader555
22nd April 2008, 02:37 PM
Nothing more annoying than driving home late at night and some idiot is tailgating you with full beams and fog lights on!

This has happened to me and means i either gotta pull over when it is safe to do so or otherwise sit lower in my seat so that i dont get blinded in my Rear View Mirror!
:mad:

Pat.w
22nd April 2008, 03:34 PM
I tend to switch on my rear fogs until the turn theirs off. Two wrongs don't make a right I know:o but it does make me feel better to have voiced my disapproval to a fashion.

delta1066
22nd April 2008, 04:46 PM
I tend to switch on my rear fogs until the turn theirs off. Two wrongs don't make a right I know:o but it does make me feel better to have voiced my disapproval to a fashion.

How true! I've done that a few times. Sometimes I flash the things at them until they get the message.

Had a thought recently though about fitting halogen floodlights to the back lol. They'd certainly get the friggin message then!

Poncho
22nd April 2008, 10:58 PM
i have to say in my years of driving i've never used them outside of fog. and my eyes seem to be super sensitive to light and i basically have to stop each time someone goes past with them on.

daft_plonk
22nd April 2008, 11:01 PM
i fitted driving lamps onto the saxo, so when some berk goes past with his full beam or front fogs on he gets hit with 220 watts of light :devil:

but i always dip them when going past a car at night

Bob925
22nd April 2008, 11:47 PM
I do miss having the front fog lights - very useful in the country labes around here. The Cav doesn't have the best full beam headlights either, the Meganes were OKish.

I'll be retro fitting fogs to it at some point, but not to use irresponsibly I'll add! :)

Poncho
22nd April 2008, 11:49 PM
I'll be retro fitting fogs to it at some point, but not to use irresponsibly I'll add! :)

of course. :rolleyes:

Bob925
22nd April 2008, 11:52 PM
Of course!

Only when I need them... It may be a Chavalier, but I'm not your typical Chavlier driver :rofl:

Sod it, I'll say it... Front foglights are COOL! It makes you look like a LEGEND :rofl:

delta1066
23rd April 2008, 01:36 PM
Lol...

I've got foggies fitted on the saf but never use them. I'll admit I flash them sometimes at other drivers who have their foglights on but they never learn.

DeanoV6
25th May 2008, 01:20 PM
I rarely use my fog lights at all unless I'm in fog.

Rear foglights in clear conditions can dazzle people behind as they just aim straight back with high intensity and can be very annoying, but, at the risk of starting outcry, has anyone actually ever been dazzled by front fog lights? (Not spots, these are different and not in conjuction with a main beam) Front fog lights are designed to point down and highlight the kerb edges and the centre line so you can keep your position on the road when in fog so they should never really shine up into the eye line of oncoming cars (unless the road is wet when the glare can bounce back up). Not that I advocate their use other than in the fog...

For anyone who thinks that they help increase visibility on a dark road, there are reasons why that area directly in front of the car is not lit more as standard. Here is an extract from an automotive lighting website that make very interesting reading (link is http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/lights/fog_lamps/fog_lamps.html ):

In clear conditions, more foreground light is not a good thing, it's a bad thing. Some foreground light is necessary so you can use your peripheral vision to see where you are relative to the road edges, the lane markings and that pothole 10 feet in front of your left wheels. But foreground light is far less safety-critical than light cast well down the road into the distance, because at any significant speed (much above 30 mph), what's in the foreground is too close for you to do much about. If you increase the foreground light, your pupils react to the bright, wide pool of light by constricting, which in turn substantially reduces your distance vision—especially since there's no increase in down-the-road distance light to go along with the increased foreground light. It's insidious, because high levels of foreground light give the illusion, the subjective impression, of comfort and security and "good lighting".

mickyboy10001
12th July 2008, 11:07 AM
When I was a spotty little brat I used them incorrectly, but now I always try to respect other road users, only used in poor visability:cool:

martin999
17th July 2008, 08:23 PM
When I was a spotty little brat I used them incorrectly, but now I always try to respect other road users, only used in poor visability:cool:

Excellent, another reformed 'fog light abuser' that makes me feel better! :)

scatz
17th July 2008, 08:46 PM
Lol...

I've got foggies fitted on the saf but never use them. I'll admit I flash them sometimes at other drivers who have their foglights on but they never learn.

Why waste the bulbs eh :rofl:

I seem to find myself shouting "F***ING FOGGY IS IT??" these days at pratts that use them irresponsibly.....dunno why though, they can't hear me :rolleyes:

Pat.w
17th July 2008, 09:01 PM
I seem to find myself shouting "F***ING FOGGY IS IT??" these days at pratts that use them irresponsibly.....dunno why though, they can't hear me :rolleyes:


You need one of these Scatz :d


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ELECTRONIC-SCROLLING-LED-MESSAGE-BOARD-SIGN-NEW-marquee_W0QQitemZ230270324975QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item230270324975&_trksid=p3286.m14.l1318

scatz
17th July 2008, 09:05 PM
You need one of these Scatz :d


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ELECTRONIC-SCROLLING-LED-MESSAGE-BOARD-SIGN-NEW-marquee_W0QQitemZ230270324975QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item230270324975&_trksid=p3286.m14.l1318

Yeah, either that or chase 'em down, pull 'em over and take my baseball bat to the lights :baseballbat: :rofl:

Pat.w
17th July 2008, 09:22 PM
Yeah, either that or chase 'em down, pull 'em over and take my baseball bat to the lights :baseballbat: :rofl:

that might be a little too aggressive :rolleyes: then again :rofl:

scatz
17th July 2008, 09:24 PM
that might be a little too aggressive :rolleyes: then again :rofl:

Ignorance and brute force was what my father always taught me would work :rofl:

Na....I taught that myself really :rolleyes:

Pat.w
17th July 2008, 09:36 PM
Ignorance and brute force was what my father always taught me would work :rofl:

Na....I taught that myself really :rolleyes:

Works for me......... regularly :d

Tink
18th July 2008, 10:35 AM
Why waste the bulbs eh :rofl:

I seem to find myself shouting "F***ING FOGGY IS IT??" these days at pratts that use them irresponsibly.....dunno why though, they can't hear me :rolleyes:

Amazing how with age comes tolerance :rofl: :rofl:
but i must admit i tend to do the same and my better half always says "they cant hear you":rofl:

daft_plonk
18th July 2008, 10:38 AM
Ignorance and brute force was what my father always taught me would work :rofl:

you havent seen one of the bouncers down the town near here, great big ¤¤¤¤ off woman with massive shoulders. really scary :eek: :sofa:

Tink
18th July 2008, 10:39 AM
you havent seen one of the bouncers down the town near here, great big ¤¤¤¤ off woman with massive shoulders. really scary :eek: :sofa:

thats no bouncer thats my mother inlaw:crazy:

daft_plonk
18th July 2008, 10:44 AM
thats no bouncer thats my mother inlaw:crazy:

well she threatens all the other boucers in the town if they let somone she doesnt like into annother bar.

she once powered over the street stopping taxis to give a freind of mine a shouting at, and the guy who let him in. she wasnt even looking after the place we went in :crazy:

must be what happens when testosterone mixes with the hormones:sofa:

Tink
18th July 2008, 10:53 AM
:eek: pre menstral bouncer:baseballbat:

jkerr
19th July 2008, 04:21 PM
have a go driving in northern ireland. every night. met by cars with fog lights on, side lights on (with the option of one off!!), and painted indicators

scatz
21st July 2008, 04:56 PM
Couldn't believe my eye's today. Saab 9000 Cabriolet, with it's top down....due to the fact it was very hot and sunny today....with, you've guessed it, it's ruddy fog lights on.....in broad, ruddy daylight :loser:

As I was infront, I decided to turn my rear fog light on :d . Don't think he got the message though, he probably thought....'that pratt in fronts got his ruddy fog light on' :rolleyes:

PRATT :steam:

Bob925
21st July 2008, 05:04 PM
If people must drive around with their fog lights on, then can't they put low wattage bulbs in or something to make them less dazzling I wonder? Probably a daft idea, just thinking aloud :)

a.fitzsimons
6th August 2008, 12:07 AM
Call me pedantic, when on my bike, someone has their foggies on I pull up to them, knock on the window and then ask them where's the fog?

In Tesco's car park if someone parks in the parent parking without a child on board, I wait until they have walked off and shout "scuze me but you've forgotten something" then when they have walked back to the car to ask me what I'm on about I say sorry luv you've forgotten your child. Ha Ha If they tell me to ¤¤¤¤ off I have a tool that takes the inner out of a tyre valve. Double Ha

delta1066
17th August 2008, 05:54 PM
Lol.

I think there is something wrong with people today. They've become so lazy - especially in supemarket car parks.

I was waiting in the car one day while Mrs delta was shopping in Tesco. Some fat trout and her hubby came back the the car next to me. It was a bit dark at the time so they probably didn't even realise I was sitting there. They finished putting their days worth of fattening food in the car and she took the trolley and left it right in front of our car - while I was sitting in it!

I scared the crap out of her when I held my hand on the horn lol. Caught in the act ha! I also shouted out the window not to be such a lazy cow.

Another time I came back to the car to find another similarly sized couple next to it with the door open right against our car. I just stood, looked and said "Would you mind removing your car door from our cars paintwork?" The look they gave me was shocking! It was like I'd commited a crime or something. I just stood there and did the same back - eventually the lady obliged and moved the door.

People are very inconsiderate these days when it comes to other motorists. Just the other day we went to the cinema. Come out, someone has left a nice big scratch on one of the saffs doors along with the blue paint to try and cover it GRRRRR.

People just don't care anymore. Now its easier to park at the far end of the car park where there is lots of space and avoid the hassle.

Mike11
17th August 2008, 06:09 PM
I have got to agree there mate. I won't park next to any car that isn't parked straight in a space. So many people are inconsiderate nowadays it is shocking. And as you say, it is as though you have just s*** on their kids or something.

I have also seen lately loads of people with their foglights on. I wound one bloke right up last night. He was coming up behind me on a duel carriageway. I was overtaking some one. He sat right on my ass, I just flicked my fogs on and of a few times and nothing, so I hit my brakes, well, I have never seen someone drop back so far in a long time, ha, pr1ck.

madnoel10
17th August 2008, 06:19 PM
I do believe the Red and Green show from the USA has the answer to those who wish to park too close in supermarket car parks. See the Youtube link below - made me laugh anyway:rofl:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_A_E2renNE&feature=related

Azurael
18th August 2008, 12:15 AM
Crikey! Driving across North London (through Edmonton, Tottenham, Hackney, Islington) at twilight, I'd say 3 out of 4 cars had foglights + sidelights on. Absolutely unbelievable.

However, I really don't find them any more frustrating than dipped beams...

daft_plonk
18th August 2008, 12:27 AM
People are very inconsiderate these days when it comes to other motorists. Just the other day we went to the cinema. Come out, someone has left a nice big scratch on one of the saffs doors along with the blue paint to try and cover it GRRRRR.

People just don't care anymore. Now its easier to park at the far end of the car park where there is lots of space and avoid the hassle.

ive got a silver ding, a green ding, and a yellow ding on my car for parking at work. I bet they wouldnt like it if i spat on their fish whilst serving then or dropped it on the floor. but there is one parking space at work all by it self, so every one wants to get that one.

i dont really care in the personell manager had a brand new BMW 120d, if that spot is free and shes following me in, ill have it :devil:, i stops my car getting dinged so i am happy at that.

delta1066
18th August 2008, 12:21 PM
I have got to agree there mate. I won't park next to any car that isn't parked straight in a space. So many people are inconsiderate nowadays it is shocking. And as you say, it is as though you have just s*** on their kids or something.

Gotta agree with that. In fact these days I tend to try a space before I decide if I'm gonna settle with it. I'll try it, if its too much of a squeeze I know I'm gonna come back and find damage so I'll go again and find another. Or at least thats how I used to work. These days parking at the far end seems to be the best option. Like you say people treat you as if you've already done something to them. One of my colleagues even did it on purpose to another one of my colleagues with the works van. Pulled up next to this other persons car and opened the door with full force against it :eek: Then to add insult to injury she did it again just to make sure she'd left her mark. I couldn't beleive it. Needless to say I get very paranoid about where I park the saff at work now or anywhere for that matter. These days you only need to have a nice looking car and some prat will get jealous and decide to ruin it for you. I really don't understand some peoples mentality.

delta1066
18th August 2008, 12:30 PM
Crikey! Driving across North London (through Edmonton, Tottenham, Hackney, Islington) at twilight, I'd say 3 out of 4 cars had foglights + sidelights on. Absolutely unbelievable.

However, I really don't find them any more frustrating than dipped beams...

I find its the arrogance of the other drivers that wind me up. I've pointed out to a lot of drivers that their foggies are on - eg at drive thrus etc and they'll turn around and say "I didn't even realise MATE" etc. Ok, if you don't know then are you even safe on the road? - Surely knowing the symbols on a car and how to operate a car are primary factors in being safe on the road ?

Another thing is those that do know but just choose to use them. On a dark night when you got one of them coming at you over the top of a hill it is blinding - just as getting one behind you is. They don't care, they're quite happy to do it to you as long is it makes them feel good about the way their car looks.

Then theres the other aspect. If I'm expected to abide by the law, why shouldn't they? What makes them so special? Some people have taken this class thing too far in recent years. All those people who've worked their way up from working to middle class suddenly seem to feel like they're something special that deserves a few privileges over other people. I really don't know why people are so arrogant. Even if I was middle or upper class I'd never want to be an annoyance or distraction to other drivers as I could cause an accident.

These days when they blind me I just flash them with full beam.

Mike11
18th August 2008, 12:31 PM
i dont really care in the personell manager had a brand new BMW 120d, if that spot is free and shes following me in, ill have it :devil:, i stops my car getting dinged so i am happy at that.

I'd do the same too mate.

These days you only need to have a nice looking car and some prat will get jealous and decide to ruin it for you. I really don't understand some peoples mentality.

Cheers for the rep Delta. Yep, without doubt peoples mentality is soooooo different now. Why they do this escapes me.

Pat.w
18th August 2008, 12:43 PM
I think you might be stretching things a little trying to bring class into this Delta

delta1066
18th August 2008, 04:35 PM
I don't think so Pat. I've seen people from many different backgrounds and its always those who think something of themselves that do it. Those who genuinely care about others and the law don't do it.

It's always the ones who think they're a cut above the rest.

Bob925
22nd August 2008, 11:43 PM
And the Chavs (if you're just talking about front fogs) :)

I got pulled ages ago for having the front fogs on when I had the Megane. Now being tallish I couldn't actually see the strip of warning lights across the top of the instrument cluster without looking down (if you know what I mean) A breif description of this to the cop (a lie of course) and a "ooh I'm dreadfully sorry accidentally switched them on blah blah" later he let me off with a telling off. But that was in my fogs on all the time days, about 5 years back

hugh121
23rd August 2008, 07:29 AM
My Godfather's daughter was pulled by the Police in Northern Ireland. The police man walks up and says that she has her foglights on.

The Policeman then says,"I'll not be taking any action because one of them isn't working." !!??***!!!

This is a true, and rather strange, story - the daughter is in her early 40's. When she told me the story I almost wet myself!!

merlinni
23rd August 2008, 11:17 PM
In poor lighting condition (like heavy rain) id use em instead of dip beam ive only been pulled once but then that was a wannabe cop (harbour cop jumped up security guard really)driving through belfast shipyard.

I would call em foglights i much prefer

Driving lights......:)

DeanoV6
24th August 2008, 11:25 AM
In poor lighting condition (like heavy rain) id use em instead of dip beam ive only been pulled once but then that was a wannabe cop (harbour cop jumped up security guard really)driving through belfast shipyard.

I would call em foglights i much prefer

Driving lights......:)

You should not use fog lights in the rain because the beams point straight down and water on the road means the beams get reflected back up and dazzle on-coming traffic.

Driving Lights, if you want them, are a completely different sort of lights that usually fix to the grill and usually are wired to come on with the full beam.

madnoel10
24th August 2008, 12:07 PM
As front fogs are closer to the road surface they are more likely to be covered by road spray - thus less likely to be seen. Dipped headlamps obviously have a much larger surface area and can be seen better by other road users especially pedestrians. Fog lamps either front or rear should only be used when the dipped headlamps are in operation.:)

DeanoV6
24th August 2008, 12:43 PM
As front fogs are closer to the road surface they are more likely to be covered by road spray - thus less likely to be seen. Dipped headlamps obviously have a much larger surface area and can be seen better by other road users especially pedestrians. Fog lamps either front or rear should only be used when the dipped headlamps are in operation.:)

If you read some of the blurb from some fog light manufacturers, in really severe fog they actually recommend running on fogs and side lights only (at much slower speed obviously) to improve visibility because the fogs are designed to cut under the fog layer whereas the dipped beams can still be bounced back from the fog into the drivers eyes. In some countries though (including the UK I think) it is illegal to drive at night or in poor weather without dipped lights on, regardless of whether you have fog lights or not, so you would not be able to do this anyway.

Pauldepmanager
24th August 2008, 11:07 PM
I only use mine when its foggy. Which isnt a lot down here in Bournemouth

delta1066
24th August 2008, 11:17 PM
I've only ever once needed them and that was on the way to fairlight park near hastings when I first passed my test. Megane didn't even have them lol and the fog was extremely thick - I could literally see an inch maybe 2 past the front of the car. It was actually VERY scary especially as I had 3 passengers and less than 2 weeks of driving experience!

Now I'm driving the saff which does have them, I've never needed them once!

scatz
24th August 2008, 11:18 PM
Get's lovely and foggy out fairlight/pett way don't it Delta :eek:

delta1066
24th August 2008, 11:43 PM
Shockingly so lol.

Also Sedlescome village too. Infact Sedlescombe can be very dangerous as you got a river there. Number of times I've been through there and found it just suddenly jumps out and hits you lol.

Fairlight is probably the same but I've only been up there once in fog lol

scatz
12th November 2008, 06:29 PM
Passed a car heading towards me on the way from picking Mrs Scatz up this evening and having shouted the obligatory "FOGGY IS IT" to the car heading the other way with it's foggies on and I then noticed it was only but a learner driver in a driving school car :eek::steam::steam::steam::steam::steam::steam::steam:

I didn't/couldn't see what company it was but I shall be keeping my eye open for a dark blue mini and shall hopefully find an email address or website and shall be havin' a word me thinks..........

......no wonder people are using their fog lights irresponsibly when they are being taught too :steam::steam::steam::steam::steam::steam::steam::steam::steam::steam::steam::steam::steam::steam::steam::steam:

Azurael
12th November 2008, 06:59 PM
I'm more concerned about the number of cyclists riding around here at night without any lights than cars with foglights on...

It really isn't worth getting irate over, kids.

Mike11
12th November 2008, 07:15 PM
That is a bit shocking Scatz tbh. It really winds me up too, but I have noticed more and mroe people are using them now. I can't wait till I have the Rocco on the road. I am going to adjust my front fogs as they don't sit in a mount, just on a bracket and aim them directly up at other road users.

Then when someone is coming towards me I am going to flash them so they won't miss my point!!:steam:

hugh121
12th November 2008, 07:36 PM
Has anyone noticed the worst fog lights are on Peueuuegeots? They seem much bigger and brighter than most. On ALL models!

scatz
12th November 2008, 08:31 PM
I'm more concerned about the number of cyclists riding around here at night without any lights than cars with foglights on...

It really isn't worth getting irate over, kids.

Agreed re the cyclists Az but fogs aren't supposed to be used unless visability is real bad for a reason.....they dazzle other road users....especially these new cars with ultra bright bulbs in 'em :crazy:

Pat.w
12th November 2008, 09:09 PM
Hey Scatz, has yours got the bright/dim settings on the fogs?

scatz
13th November 2008, 06:12 PM
What....on a '96 plate Pat :rolleyes::rofl:



If I wanted to annoy other road users it would annoy both those infront and behind as the fogs, both front and back, are rigged (when imported) to the same switch.

Pat.w
13th November 2008, 06:49 PM
Oh OK wasn't sure how they did it back then :d

Mine are seperate and the fronts can be on, but dimmed like big sidelights. I tend to leave them on all the time

scatz
14th November 2008, 06:14 PM
Mine are seperate

Import Pat....whoever rigged the rear fog (as they don't have one when they are imported) obviously couldn't be ar$ed to fit a seperate switch :rolleyes:

Still, maybe my next Scoob will have more toys ;)

Tiggerz_SRi
14th November 2008, 08:11 PM
next scoob............ PM TIME!!!!

scatz
14th November 2008, 08:27 PM
next scoob............ PM TIME!!!!

Sending :rofl:

Tiggerz_SRi
14th November 2008, 08:32 PM
a lada riva?!?!?! ;)

scatz
14th November 2008, 08:38 PM
a lada riva?!?!?! ;)

Yeah, like this;

http://www.renaultforums.co.uk/_User-folders/vBulletinImg/2008/11/{23215BFD-4F96-4FBA-BBA9-66C99F31BCB3}.jpeg

:rofl:

Tiggerz_SRi
14th November 2008, 08:40 PM
:rofl:

Ka BLiNG!!!

scatz
14th November 2008, 08:44 PM
It's called the Lada Mercediva :rofl:

Anyway.......off topic :redcard:

EngineerDaisy
22nd November 2008, 10:31 AM
just read through all of this and have to say that i dont use my fogs unless its really foggy.

being in the mini normally i hate any 4x4 or big car as even their dipped lights are too high and dazzle me, although if someone's coming towards me with fogs on when its not foggy they get a blast of all 6 lights lol, 2 spots, 2 fogs and the headlights :devil:

tempted to fill the gaps where the megs fogs should go with extra spot lights to go on with full beam......i miss having uber bright full beam lol

daft_plonk
3rd December 2008, 12:09 AM
tempted to fill the gaps where the megs fogs should go with extra spot lights to go on with full beam......i miss having uber bright full beam lol

haha, you should see my saxo, 240W of main beam power :devil:

Azurael
3rd December 2008, 12:21 AM
I've noticed a lot of modern cars use dual filament bulbs for main beam, and the dipped filament goes off when the main beam filament is on, which seems crazy to me, and likewise a lot of 'projector' style lights seem to just go for extended range via geometry adjustments rather than _more_ light for the main beam.

Supposedly, the loss in short-range light fill is actually a good thing when you have the longer range of the main beams, but I much prefer the way my lag works (i.e. all 4 bulbs on when the main beams are powered up)

Porffor
17th January 2009, 05:52 PM
Going to sound really lame but I have 'pale eyes' so struggle with changes in light quickly.. any opticians will know this is a valid situation. :)
Therefore, I use them only when needed.

But the worst scenario is NOT using them when needed.. now THAT drives me nuts.. and makes me think :loser:

Bob925
17th January 2009, 11:14 PM
I wish I had front fogs so I *could* use them irresponsibly. Just a little ;) Heck everyone on the M40 was using them irresponsibly a few days ago in the lightest of fog, I wish I could've joined in!

martin999
18th January 2009, 11:57 AM
I wish I had front fogs so I *could* use them irresponsibly. Just a little ;) Heck everyone on the M40 was using them irresponsibly a few days ago in the lightest of fog, I wish I could've joined in!

Cable tie a couple of torches to the Cav's bumper Bob and you can join the club.... just don't try to turn them on when you are driving! :d

scatz
19th January 2009, 04:27 PM
Everytime this thread rears its head I get wound up because I've always seen another plonker using them on the very same day :rolleyes:

Chap in a..........beemer, every day at the school, lights blazin' :loser:

Tiggerz_SRi
19th January 2009, 05:03 PM
You know mate, When I pop round yours tomorrow, I may put em on........... Just for you lololol

scatz
19th January 2009, 05:25 PM
OK, I'll be waiting with the baseball bat :devil:

Bob925
19th January 2009, 09:20 PM
Cable tie a couple of torches to the Cav's bumper Bob and you can join the club.... just don't try to turn them on when you are driving! :d

:rofl: :rofl:

The led torches you get nowadays are brighter then most front fogs I think!

Tiggerz_SRi
19th January 2009, 11:13 PM
Dunno, Ask Scatz tomoz, mine are bright lololol

daft_plonk
20th January 2009, 12:33 PM
martys are :crazy:

Cliogftrn
9th February 2009, 03:51 PM
God this really grinds my gears :mad:

My sister does it, she has a Lexus IS200 and when people flash her, in which they should, she responds by saying " their my lights and ill have them on if i want, sunshine or fog" (yes she does drive round with lights on during the day which i also find annoying!)

If i see someone coming towards me with fogs on when not needed i just keep my main beam on, both of us are temporarily blinded but im not going down without a fight!

Now i dont actualy have front fogs but still, take responsibility!

scatz
9th February 2009, 03:53 PM
If i see someone coming towards me with fogs on when not needed i just keep my main beam on, both of us are temporarily blinded but im not going down without a fight!

:rofl: Good lad, pretty much what I do now.....

.....it's also a waste of bulb life :rolleyes:

Mikey
9th February 2009, 04:17 PM
I like the front fogs on the newish galaxies, they have the side lights in them. Which is a good idea as most people only switch on their fogs to look 'cool' I must say I used to till I got tugged by the rozzers :o many moons ago.
I have noticed though in some cars, like the old focus, the front fogs use the same dipped bulbs as the headlights, has a piece of metal over the filiment to shield the light and point it down. Stops other motorists being blinded when they are on and keeps the light where you want it the most.

Azurael
9th February 2009, 04:52 PM
I'm sorry... But I've never been blinded by fog lights even remotely as much as fscking full beams, and if you think anybody deserves an eye-full of that, you need your head adjusted.

Cliogftrn
11th February 2009, 07:52 PM
:rofl: Good lad, pretty much what I do now.....

.....it's also a waste of bulb life :rolleyes:



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Jonlucpicard
11th February 2009, 08:54 PM
People driving with fog lights on really annoys me, i think they need to get their eyes tested if they see fog all the time.
My dad drives with his foglights on, it really annoys me. I'm going to pull the fuse nest time he's not looking.

bigpaul
11th February 2009, 08:55 PM
In these times is it possible to get far enough ahead of other vehicles on the road to warrant putting fog lights on :confused:

I've been driving for 22 years and think I have only ever used the foglights 5 or 6 times during this time. And those were instances of nightime driving when the roads are quiet.

bpowell555
13th February 2009, 12:14 AM
I've always thought fogs are angled down and don't shine into your eyes, although they look bright so generally I don't mind them, although it does make you look like an idiot if its not foggy :p

dr. sarf
13th February 2009, 02:00 PM
May annoy people but I do - not all the time because I can, but if on an unlit road I'll turn them on for extra visibility along with my Xenons and main beam. :D

cookie151175
13th February 2009, 02:03 PM
I find it sooooo annoying. There is nothing worse than someone coming at you all lights blazing. I have lost count of the amount of times i've nearly crashed cos of it!
Cookie

bpowell555
14th February 2009, 10:02 AM
I have been known to opt to use the fogs when following a 40 mph hero on a 60 road for errr visibility reasons :o

Cliogftrn
15th February 2009, 07:54 PM
I just had a nasty going on with a foglight user!

Driving behind me on a B road with his fogs on so i simply turn my rear fog on and off in a way to ask him to turn his off...i got a nasty full beam from him, so i did it again, once again did not get a nice return. Couple of miles down the road i decide iv had enough and put the rear fog on and kept it on. Seconds later he over took me and slammed on his breaks and slowed me down to 20mph (on a 60mph road) and put his rear fogs on :mad::mad: for the next 20 mile behind him contantly slowly and speeding back up i kept my cool as i knew if i played his game it could of got nasty. Needless to say it had a big exhaust and a spoiler big enough to out do my ironing board!

I think someone needs to grow up!

Bob925
15th February 2009, 10:08 PM
Yep, plenty of that going on unfortunately :rolleyes:

bpowell555
15th February 2009, 10:29 PM
I just had a nasty going on with a foglight user!

Driving behind me on a B road with his fogs on so i simply turn my rear fog on and off in a way to ask him to turn his off...i got a nasty full beam from him, so i did it again, once again did not get a nice return. Couple of miles down the road i decide iv had enough and put the rear fog on and kept it on. Seconds later he over took me and slammed on his breaks and slowed me down to 20mph (on a 60mph road) and put his rear fogs on :mad::mad: for the next 20 mile behind him contantly slowly and speeding back up i kept my cool as i knew if i played his game it could of got nasty. Needless to say it had a big exhaust and a spoiler big enough to out do my ironing board!

I think someone needs to grow up!

Road rage - I had that once because the guy didn't like the fact I ducked out of a roundabout in front of him. He may have had to slow down as a result but only because he was doing a mental speed - in a 30 area. Imediately overtook me then slowed right down. Both of us had kids in the car! I think these people hear about it / have it done to them and they think its cool and do it at any opportunity. Its basically like having a go in a public place face to face for little or no reason but you can get away with it. I don't even know what the legal position would be if an accident resulted :confused:

Cliogftrn
16th February 2009, 08:47 AM
Theres just no need for these people.

I saw him at petrol station this morning actualy, i remember is was M reg red beamer, with DIY pimp my ride allover it. He recnoised my car as he looked at me. I think he thought i was a man cos it came to an actualy face to face he nothing to say! well his mate did, "theres that git clio from last night"

I would much rather have a face to face then deal with it on the road, if i was not 100% on the ball that night i could of gone straight into the back of him.

I think boyracers with fog lights have got the 1# spot on my list of give me road rage, it was OAP's

Pat J
18th February 2009, 03:07 PM
I get this most mornings on my 50 mile commute to work. I only use my fogs when it is reduced visibility so I can see the verge on some of the roads I use.
Point of interest is that most factory fitted fogs normally have a sharp cut off and are set up so as not dazzle oncoming vehicles or cause reflection in the fog/blizzard.
I have noticed a lot of people have fitted aftermarket ones and have not set them up at all. My other gripe is people with badly adjusted dip beam lights that blind you as they come towards you, as these are supposed to be checked during the MOT as far as I'm aware something is failing somewhere, and as for people with bulbs out that I see every morning same car same people don't get me started.:mad:

Cliogftrn
18th February 2009, 03:29 PM
Well where i live i have to atleast 20 miles for anything so they drive on the moors road is a common thing for me but it is filled with bumps, hills, sharp bents ect to when peoepl do have fog's over this uneven surface it makes it 10 times worse.

But i know what you mean about people with non-adjusted lights and when i flash them the are rather confused as to what the issue is.

But what find worst is these people in big 4x4's, Range Rovers and X5's with the xenon lights, they are so high up compaired to me but theres nothing that can be done about them!

Bob925
18th February 2009, 10:42 PM
Yep I couldn't agree more, the larger vehicles with the stupid "flashy" xenon lights on them :rolleyes: Thjough smaller cars with them, when they go over the tiniest bump in the road it looks like they've flashed full beam at you!

In the past I've taken to sticking the full beams on when I've seen approaching front fog lighters... OK so they will be dazzled by my lights... They'll crash - I won't ;)

Pat.w
18th February 2009, 10:45 PM
Yep I couldn't agree more, the larger vehicles with the stupid "flashy" xenon lights on them :rolleyes: Thjough smaller cars with them, when they go over the tiniest bump in the road it looks like they've flashed full beam at you!

In the past I've taken to sticking the full beams on when I've seen approaching front fog lighters... OK so they will be dazzled by my lights... They'll crash - I won't ;)

As long as they don't crash into you Bob :)

Bob925
18th February 2009, 10:45 PM
T'was a joke Pat... ;)

Paul Dengel
18th February 2009, 10:46 PM
What I don't understand is that all cars I have had you can't switch on the fogs without the headlights being on. I have seen lots of cars with sidelights and fogs on. What's going on there?

It drives me nuts as most of my driving is city, nicely lit streets, but I am dazzled by idiots with their fogs on all the time!

Pat.w
18th February 2009, 10:47 PM
T'was a joke Pat... ;)

Figured that Bob :d

Bob925
18th February 2009, 10:48 PM
:rofl: I thought so :d

I'm just jealous 'cos my car hasn't got front fog lights :( :rolleyes:

Mickb
17th March 2009, 09:23 PM
Some people think it's cool others don't even know they are on.
I'm not sure which is worse!!!!


I did have Scenic that if you didn't watch what you were doing when turning the dipped lights on you would easy put the front fog lights on as well.
Suppose I would fall into the later category of didn't know they were on.

Bob925
22nd March 2009, 12:20 AM
Sorry folks but I did use mine irresponsibly earlier on tonight. Just because I felt like it. I know I know, but see I haven't had front fog lights for ages, and soon enough I won't have them again so I thought feck it I'll use them like a boy racer :o Sorry :o

Lagdti
22nd March 2009, 12:49 AM
Detention after school Bob,500 lines of....

'I must never buy a car on eBay again and never,ever use my foglights in good visability'

Tut,tut,tut.:)

Bob925
22nd March 2009, 12:52 AM
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I consider myself told!

Bob925
28th March 2009, 11:56 PM
Well the car with the front fogs has gone now, so what I'll do is adjust the headlamp levelling on the old (decent) car to the maximum "up" setting so as to achieve similar levels of annoyance to other road users :d

scatz
29th March 2009, 03:14 PM
As long as you don't come toward me Bob :baseballbat::rofl:

Pat J
3rd April 2009, 08:32 AM
I've actually had to use my fogs properly the last few mornings coming to work, and found out they are a magnet 'literally' for pheasants and rabbits. I had a kamikaze pheasant this morning which hit the front passenger side fog and pushed it back into the wheel well. I've only just had this fixed after the rabbit with a deathwish did the same thing the other week.
I am seriously considering a cow catcher for the front coz after the rabbit then a pheasant the next animals I normally see are deer and I don't want to hit one of them appearing out of the mist. :eek:

Pat J
3rd April 2009, 08:38 AM
:crazy:

Mikey
3rd April 2009, 11:58 AM
pheasants and rabbits

mmmm Lunch! :drool: Have to keep the next one for Sunday dinner.

Shame they don't work the same way for Chavs :rofl:

I used mine properly this morning too as it was a bit pea soup out there. Shocked me to see alot of people driving round with NO lights on what so ever. :crazy::loser:

Bob925
5th April 2009, 10:34 PM
Yes that happens an awful lot as well, heavy rain then fogs aplenty but the hint of fog and no lights at all :crazy:

Mikeyjp
1st February 2012, 11:08 PM
i never use my front ones, i think it just makes it harder to see, and i only put my rear one on if its really bad advisability

hondo
2nd February 2012, 10:36 AM
i never use my front ones, i think it just makes it harder to see,

I'd go along with that! The only time mine get turned on is when parked in front of maybe a shop window, I occasionally turn them on, but only to check out if they still work.

Azurael
2nd February 2012, 10:54 AM
i never use my front ones, i think it just makes it harder to see, and i only put my rear one on if its really bad advisability

How do you put the rear fog on independently without having re-wired the car?

Pah, anyway, try living in a place where you regularly get fog that prevents you seeing much beyond the end of the bonnet (then you'll be very glad you've got front fogs + annoyed if it's night time and you have to (legally) have your dipped beams on, as they're counteracting most of the good work the fogs are doing :p) although I do find the xenons seem to glare off it a lot less than halogens anyway! I remember on the Lag 1s I always had to use the fogs + main beams together just because the headlights were so dismal, glad that's not the case with this car.

My current car has two fog lights on the back (all my other Lagunas came with just the O/S, so perhaps the owner of this one drove abroad a lot), I must fix that one of these days.

hondo
2nd February 2012, 11:01 AM
Az with the greatest respect to you in the world mate, I can promise that if you're under :idunno: 50-60 years of age you don't know what Fog / Smog is, thank Gawd

d'espace between my ears
2nd February 2012, 11:44 AM
I'm firmly in the

If i see someone coming towards me with fogs on when not needed i just keep my main beam on, both of us are temporarily blinded but im not going down without a fight!

camp, working on the theory they're having more issues with my HID's than I'm having with their halo's

Azurael
2nd February 2012, 12:53 PM
I'm firmly in the



camp, working on the theory they're having more issues with my HID's than I'm having with their halo's

My main beams aren't Xenon :(

Although as beam pattern doesn't matter on main beams I s'pose it wouldn't do any harm to whack a HID kit on the main beams (aside from the fact that I'd then need to wire the fogs up as the flasher as Xenons aren't the biggest fans of being switched on and off repeatedly.)

saabguy
2nd February 2012, 12:57 PM
My C5 has the very strange setup of having the front fogs integral with the dipped/main beam housing. If you do put the fog lights on people flash you thinking you are on main beam. :crazy:

Azurael
2nd February 2012, 01:20 PM
My C5 has the very strange setup of having the front fogs integral with the dipped/main beam housing. If you do put the fog lights on people flash you thinking you are on main beam. :crazy:

Yep, my mate's now-dead Xsara was like that too. They also seem to have used as many different types of bulb as possible (H1, H4 AND H7 from what I can remember) just to confuse people. I notice on the facelifted C5 they went back to seperate fogs...

pragmatix
2nd February 2012, 06:17 PM
My C5 has the very strange setup of having the front fogs integral with the dipped/main beam housing. If you do put the fog lights on people flash you thinking you are on main beam. :crazy:

I would have that looked at never had that problem on my C5 with the same set up, very flat beam from my fogs no dazzle to oncoming traffic
I miss my C5

Mikeyjp
2nd February 2012, 08:14 PM
How do you put the rear fog on independently without having re-wired the car?

Pah, anyway, try living in a place where you regularly get fog that prevents you seeing much beyond the end of the bonnet (then you'll be very glad you've got front fogs + annoyed if it's night time and you have to (legally) have your dipped beams on, as they're counteracting most of the good work the fogs are doing :p) although I do find the xenons seem to glare off it a lot less than halogens anyway! I remember on the Lag 1s I always had to use the fogs + main beams together just because the headlights were so dismal, glad that's not the case with this car.

My current car has two fog lights on the back (all my other Lagunas came with just the O/S, so perhaps the owner of this one drove abroad a lot), I must fix that one of these days.

Front Fogs are not there anymore :D

IT66
2nd February 2012, 08:21 PM
I've never had front fog lights but i must admit that i reckon i've only needed them a couple of time's but i would like some even though it would be just for making the front of my car look more finished off as it looks to me as though it needs them .

necrophobic
4th February 2012, 10:32 PM
had to cut the wires on my fogs as the previous owner had them wired so they turned on with the dipped beam

coup
27th February 2012, 11:07 PM
Depends on the context of the q.
1. some renaults the front fog lights are called driving lights/spot lights.
I use mine as such.
2.This is designed in,the front fog /spot/driving lamps are active once the sidelights are on.

3. the rear foglights,similar intensity to rear brake lights.On mine they will only work on dipped beam + setting.
I only use them in real fog conditions or if Im being tailgated, in a pretendy brake light applied fashion.

Other than that "its bad form old boy to have your rear fogs on when visibility is ok"
nb . I havent responded to the poll.

Doferdude
27th February 2012, 11:42 PM
I never use any extra lights in the fog. They seem to turn fog from a hazy mistiness into a bright haze that you still cant see through!

Phil48
26th February 2014, 05:05 PM
They are there but I never use them..my boy racer days are well and truly over..:d

andy-fish
26th February 2014, 05:30 PM
I put my front ones on whenever I feel like it. It makes no difference to other road users as the result of me turning the switch is that a light on my dash comes on. I'm sure this doesn't affect anyone else. If the actual lights on the front of the car came on, that would be a different story. The joys of Renault ownership means I will never dazzle an oncoming driver with my front fog lights. :d

Renoir White
26th February 2014, 05:33 PM
I've never had a vehicle with fog or spot lights :o but I use my headlights considerately. My old FSO 125P had four as standard fitment :d That did help driving around country lanes.

Dancingdad
26th February 2014, 05:53 PM
Front fogs on my scenic are probably one of the few fitted, or aftermarket, fogs that do what they are supposed to.
Knock the mains off and the fogs on and visibility in fog is much better...almost zero scatter back.
With the way they are set, far less likely to be blinding oncoming drivers then even dips.

Rear fog lights are my bugbear. Fine in daylight in poor visibility but once darkness falls, they are far more likely to be blinding the poor bu%%er behind you...and I don't appreciate it :d

Mike H025
13th August 2014, 11:41 PM
Re front: Yes my Clio's the same, option to have on without headlights. I agree with you absolutely, being lower than the heads, much reduced reflection from the fog.

Re rear: must only be used if foggy, if so shouldn't be blinding. Light or dark.