I am wondering if anyone else thinks there is an inherent design fault in the 2.2dci engine which is making Espaces fail before their time - and hence arguably deficient under the sale of goods act?
I have spent many hours poring over this site and have found the following users who have experienced either engine failure (or like us, escaped total failure by skin of teeth but were left with massive repair bill):
craigers (welcome to the club!)
pianoman
richparker
stoddy66
not impressed
smulley
mickeydee
danjor1610
JasonT
mick268
fahn51
cellotape
rabnif
cornishclan
brizzle
Many describe oil all up the drivers side like we experienced (and also all over the engine which surely also presents a fire risk?).
All these cars were under six years old at the time of failure and the highest mileage recorded was 77k, with many well under this. All were 2.2dci engines.
I'm not sure where I'm going with this but am I alone in thinking there is a fundamental flaw here? Or should this be an acceptable number of failures to be found on a forum like this? Bear in mind that espaces are not the most common cars on the road...
I am wondering if anyone else thinks there is an inherent design fault in the 2.2dci engine which is making Espaces fail before their time - and hence arguably deficient under the sale of goods act?
I have spent many hours poring over this site and have found the following users who have experienced either engine failure (or like us, escaped total failure by skin of teeth but were left with massive repair bill):
craigers (welcome to the club!)
pianoman
richparker
stoddy66
not impressed
smulley
mickeydee
danjor1610
JasonT
mick268
fahn51
cellotape
rabnif
cornishclan
brizzle hondo <---------
@ 16K odd miles on the clock, & the first service hadn't yet been reached. It wasn't a dramatic failure, no indication other than the engine management warning light for a couple of minutes. Renault initially thought it was the EGR valve but after replacement of that they inform me the turbo had gone belly up too.
I agree a major design issue, in fact I was warned about the problem by a major motoring organisation, but I c0cked a deaf ear.
Suzie
Must congratulate you on your research. I beleive this to be a disign fault, these engines should not fail at such a low milage, the rest of the car should rot away around the engine.
In my case I reported the "Fuel Injection Fault" warning to my local Renault garage, who did nothing about it, 200miles later the engine blows. getting no where with RCS, so thinking of getting legal advice.
Espace 2.2cdi people of the world should unite
Copy of my last letter to RCS
iF.A.O Alan Shaw
Alan.
Thank you for your reply regarding the major engine failure to my Renault Espace NL55 XRT.
I think you have misread my last email. My complaint has moved on from the mechanical failure caused by poor workmanship. It's now the misdiagnoses of the "Fuel Injection fault" warnings I was getting before the engine failure. I reported these warnings to Benfield Motors when taking the car for the service and timing belt change.
I could not except Renaults explanation of it being wear and tear on an engine that had only done 76K miles, as you say in your email "We are committed to manufacturing our products to a high standard" I'm sure Renault customers would not buy a car whose engine will only do this mileage. At this point I carried out my own investigations resulting in me finding other Renault customers on internet forums etc who have had the same problem with 2.2cdi Renault engines. These "Fuel Injection Fault" warnings are the first sign that the turbo/inlet manifold gasket has failed, causing oil to be sucked up out of the sump on a long run, hence the engine failure.
This is a known fault with these engines and should have been diagnosed by the Renault experts at Benfield Motors, resulting in a bill a lot less than the engine replacement bill.
To sum up: My complaint is now regarding the misdiagnoses of the Fuel Injection Fault warnings. If the correct diagnoses had been done during the service I would not have had to replace the engine and lose 3 days of my family holiday. Hence my claim for full repayment of the engine replacement. I also note that other Renault customers with the same fault have been offered financial assistance.
As said in my previous email this evidence is being passed on to my solicitor
Suzie
Must congratulate you on your research. I beleive this to be a disign fault, these engines should not fail at such a low milage, the rest of the car should rot away around the engine.
In my case I reported the "Fuel Injection Fault" warning to my local Renault garage, who did nothing about it, 200miles later the engine blows. getting no where with RCS, so thinking of getting legal advice.
Espace 2.2cdi people of the world should unite
Copy of my last letter to RCS
iF.A.O Alan Shaw
Alan.
Thank you for your reply regarding the major engine failure to my Renault Espace NL55 XRT.
I think you have misread my last email. My complaint has moved on from the mechanical failure caused by poor workmanship. It's now the misdiagnoses of the "Fuel Injection fault" warnings I was getting before the engine failure. I reported these warnings to Benfield Motors when taking the car for the service and timing belt change.
I could not except Renaults explanation of it being wear and tear on an engine that had only done 76K miles, as you say in your email "We are committed to manufacturing our products to a high standard" I'm sure Renault customers would not buy a car whose engine will only do this mileage. At this point I carried out my own investigations resulting in me finding other Renault customers on internet forums etc who have had the same problem with 2.2cdi Renault engines. These "Fuel Injection Fault" warnings are the first sign that the turbo/inlet manifold gasket has failed, causing oil to be sucked up out of the sump on a long run, hence the engine failure.
This is a known fault with these engines and should have been diagnosed by the Renault experts at Benfield Motors, resulting in a bill a lot less than the engine replacement bill.
To sum up: My complaint is now regarding the misdiagnoses of the Fuel Injection Fault warnings. If the correct diagnoses had been done during the service I would not have had to replace the engine and lose 3 days of my family holiday. Hence my claim for full repayment of the engine replacement. I also note that other Renault customers with the same fault have been offered financial assistance.
As said in my previous email this evidence is being passed on to my solicitor
Hi you can add my name to list set of on holiday 2 adults 2 children and 2 of their friends 80 miles latter noise like disc rubbing smoke from engine fire total burn out by time fire engine got to us X reg espace 2.2dci Hlb 971
Out of interest, those of your with big end failures, what were the symptoms you had? What's the fix? New engine? I have a feeling mine has got something like that and is at the dealer now being looked at.
Thanks, Jimmy.
Yes I had had very occasional injector fault messages
was No 3 that went onn mine as well!
Luckily had extended renault warranty to 100K, they would only pay for repair so paid dealer extra to fit new engine, thought it worth it @ £1800 including new clutch etc
More and more people seemed to have had the same experiance, Im in the process of collating all the posts regarding the "Fuel injection Fault" which is the result of a turbo, inlet manifold/gasket fault which causes oil to be blown out of the engine. Im collating them all onto a word document that can be used to send to RCS or a legal representative.
I'm not going to let this drop until I get full repayment.
We are thinking of going to the small claims court on the basis that the car does not have sufficient durability under the Sale of Goods Act. At the point where we thought ours needed a new engine, Renault customer services remarked over the phone that the car may be uneconomic to repair. How can this be an acceptable state of affairs for a car that cost over £30k, had done 39k miles with full renault svc history and was only 5.5 years old?
The age of my car is the reason Renault have given for not contributing - but as far as I can see from the other stories they have contributed significantly where cars are more the age of yours, not impressed.
I've had my Espace since new and had a new gear box fitted under warranty. I previously had to Citeron Picasso, never with any problems, but a larger family required more seats. I had my Espace regularly serviced to manufacturers requirements by the dealership. The last service was in December 2008 and it wasn't due again until August 2010 on the 18 month service interval.
Today I noticed a very bad noise in the engine and took it to a local garage. The result of their investigations are that the majorityof the engine is sitting in the sump and they can't believe it was still running! I'm shocked as it will cost well over £2000 to fix. I've looked at this forum and I would definately support some kind of action.
Just been loking at your thread.. I bought and drove away a 2.2dci espace (03 plate)on sunday morning from renault dealer. 6 miles home, oil everywhere. The dipstick had popped out. The dealer had spent approx 1800/2000 on car before selling it to me. They have it back and I came away with a loan car, 57plate 2.0dci. could this be the car I should keep? Is the 2.0 dci better and less breakable than the 2.2? Can anyone help?
Desperate mother of 6 kids.
Knowing what I know now, I would not be taking the car back if I were you. I'd get a refund and go somewhere other than Renault. Although the garage may be able to sort the car out in the short term, I'd never trust it again. There seems to be a number of serious design flaws with the 2.2dci engine in particular and if anything goes wrong, related to the engine, it seems to be engine out and a huge bill to fix it, that's if it's even a viable economic repair.
Good luck, Jimmy.
The 2.0 definitely seems to be a more sturdy engine, although it hasn't been around all that long yet. That said, yours probably 'just' needs a new intake manifold and should be good for the foreseeable future once that's done.
people,its not just the engines that r not up 2 scratch the gearboxs r no better AD4 renault should supply 3 with each car b it Laguna,espace whatever it is in ,why do people keep buying these money burners,renault must be laughing at all of us ,they r makingf more on spare parts than the cars ,i have had my rant, deecee.
Hi, it is my first time on this forum. We purchased a 2.2 dci priviledge last year 2003 model. It had just had a brand new engine and turbo, so thought we were getting a very good deal!!!! However, in the last few months, we have also been getting the Fuel injection fault. It is now coming up every time we go up a steep hill. The aa have been out to it and cleaned out the EGR valve which was very sooty, but it still came on after another trip up a hill.
Has anyone any ideas what to do next, surely we cant be just about to experience another engine blow out???
We are due to go on holiday in July with a caravan to France, I think we should get rid of the car, but my husband not so sure, any suggestions???
Hi, it is my first time on this forum. We purchased a 2.2 dci priviledge last year 2003 model. It had just had a brand new engine and turbo, so thought we were getting a very good deal!!!! However, in the last few months, we have also been getting the Fuel injection fault. It is now coming up every time we go up a steep hill. The aa have been out to it and cleaned out the EGR valve which was very sooty, but it still came on after another trip up a hill.
Has anyone any ideas what to do next, surely we cant be just about to experience another engine blow out???
We are due to go on holiday in July with a caravan to France, I think we should get rid of the car, but my husband not so sure, any suggestions???
Catherine, this is exactly what happened to ours ~(and others if you read through the threads) just before the turbo went and I managed to catch that before it blew completely. If its just had a brand new engine and turbo, it sounds like its happened once already.
How can Renault get away with this!
Purely from a parental point of view.... if you have kids, get rid of it asap! I have got my money back from the dealer, but am now left with 6 kids and no car at all, so have to buy another one in haste, as no one has a 7 seater to lend me!.... Looking a ford galaxy, sharan, alhambra. If I had loads of cash to spend, would go for something almost new, but I don't! Not going to go for a renault though! Go German I think! Hope you manage to get rid of yours, and get something that will be reliable. Good luck...
I am wondering if anyone else thinks there is an inherent design fault in the 2.2dci engine which is making Espaces fail before their time - and hence arguably deficient under the sale of goods act?
I have spent many hours poring over this site and have found the following users who have experienced either engine failure (or like us, escaped total failure by skin of teeth but were left with massive repair bill):
craigers (welcome to the club!)
pianoman
richparker
stoddy66
not impressed
smulley
mickeydee
danjor1610
JasonT
mick268
fahn51
cellotape
rabnif
cornishclan
brizzle
Many describe oil all up the drivers side like we experienced (and also all over the engine which surely also presents a fire risk?).
All these cars were under six years old at the time of failure and the highest mileage recorded was 77k, with many well under this. All were 2.2dci engines.
I'm not sure where I'm going with this but am I alone in thinking there is a fundamental flaw here? Or should this be an acceptable number of failures to be found on a forum like this? Bear in mind that espaces are not the most common cars on the road...
We bought our 2002 Grand Espace in December 2008 and currently we have been going through the whole limp mode thing, starting when going up hill etc
So far have I have cleaned the EGR valve and replaced the turbo.
Now still oil getting pumped into the turbo so this afternoon I am going to remove the inlet manifold.
Wish me luck!
My advice is, if you are reading this post and do not yet own a Renault Espace then run!.......
If my wife didnt like it so much, and if it wasnt such a nice drive, when it is working that is, I would take it to the scrap yard
Please add me to your list. I have just looked through the forum and feeling more and more depressed, as our car which we purchased last year is doing the same thing. Fuel injection fault, originally it was doing limp mode, but for some reason it is now coming up with the fuel injection fault and if we are on the motorway still doing 70!!! My concern is that the fuel injection problem is now coming on every day, even going up a smallish hill, and I am concerned that the engine is going to go, despite it only having done 10,000.
We purchased the car last june at 60,000, and it had received a brand new engine and turbo at 55000, so thought we were getting a good deal, how wrong we were. Yesterday we cleaned out the egr value, which was sooted up, and the duct pipe that goes into the egr value was also sooted up. We are now looking at replacing the duct pipe with a modified one, to see if that helps.
Any other suggestions or ideas greatly appreciated. In the meantime I would be very interested to be kept up to date on any development on taking this issue further, as it does look like a design fault if so many of us are affected.
Can you get it plugged in to check the faults? You dont need to take it to the dealer to do that but you do need someone who has a reader that can read Renault codes. We used http://www.airbagman.co.uk to read ours.
We purchased a reader only to find out that Renault didnt play with the other guys and didnt become OBD compliant until about 2005.
If you disconnect the egr valve, (we tried it) the engine management knew that something was amis and brought up the zig zag fault light.
I am wondering if anyone else thinks there is an inherent design fault in the 2.2dci engine which is making Espaces fail before their time - and hence arguably deficient under the sale of goods act?
I have spent many hours poring over this site and have found the following users who have experienced either engine failure (or like us, escaped total failure by skin of teeth but were left with massive repair bill):
craigers (welcome to the club!)
pianoman
richparker
stoddy66
not impressed
smulley
mickeydee
danjor1610
JasonT
mick268
fahn51
cellotape
rabnif
cornishclan
brizzle
Many describe oil all up the drivers side like we experienced (and also all over the engine which surely also presents a fire risk?).
All these cars were under six years old at the time of failure and the highest mileage recorded was 77k, with many well under this. All were 2.2dci engines.
I'm not sure where I'm going with this but am I alone in thinking there is a fundamental flaw here? Or should this be an acceptable number of failures to be found on a forum like this? Bear in mind that espaces are not the most common cars on the road...
That is such a shame, there is a lot of information in those documents that we found on Google by using the search term Renault Espace Confidential Technical Note and Renault Espace Technical pdf
Hi all,
Last year i had the big ends fail in my 04 plate grand espace about 80k on the clock.
I had a recon engine fitted cost in total 4k had many problems after and had to go back to garage five times.
In the end got slightly peeved and took the advice of a solicitor.
Did not get anywhere!! Then spent about 2-3k putting right issues that arose from the engine change.
This year finally the car was running like a dream, better than ever.
Until a large cloud of smoke came out the back end on the M1 a few weeks ago.
It is now back in the garage having a new head and piston fitted after doing about 15K since engine change the valve head broke off!!.
Originally I had the Fuel injection light / EGR problem as well.
This time around I think I might get away with a bill for 1500.
I have had major costs with the espace and would not recommend to anybody.
The only problem is that I have to buy a new car have five children and need decent sized people carrier with flexibility and comfort. Have tried new grand voyager and is not as nice as the espace, and the viano and caravelle are expensive vans!!
Anybody have any ideas?? Although the last 2.2 has been a major drain on funds it seems as though it is the only decent sized people carrier on the market.
Has there been any problems with the new 2 litre engine in the grand espace??
Any ideas.....
Hi all,
Last year i had the big ends fail in my 04 plate grand espace about 80k on the clock.
I had a recon engine fitted cost in total 4k had many problems after and had to go back to garage five times.
In the end got slightly peeved and took the advice of a solicitor.
Did not get anywhere!! Then spent about 2-3k putting right issues that arose from the engine change.
This year finally the car was running like a dream, better than ever.
Until a large cloud of smoke came out the back end on the M1 a few weeks ago.
It is now back in the garage having a new head and piston fitted after doing about 15K since engine change the valve head broke off!!.
Originally I had the Fuel injection light / EGR problem as well.
This time around I think I might get away with a bill for 1500.
I have had major costs with the espace and would not recommend to anybody.
The only problem is that I have to buy a new car have five children and need decent sized people carrier with flexibility and comfort. Have tried new grand voyager and is not as nice as the espace, and the viano and caravelle are expensive vans!!
Anybody have any ideas?? Although the last 2.2 has been a major drain on funds it seems as though it is the only decent sized people carrier on the market.
Has there been any problems with the new 2 litre engine in the grand espace??
Any ideas.....
I think its a disgrace when you start to read through this thread and see the problems and expense this engine has cost people including myself,I have a 51 plate renault Master 2.2dci which Ive owned for 2yrs and purchased with fsh it has had a replacement engine at 108k miles(£750) replacement engine has had 4 reconditioned injectors (£600+),complete leak-off return pipe(£75) a replacement turbo(£380),2 inlet manifolds9£250) a gearbox(£650) an egr valve (£80)2x clean outs etc etc etc,I also own a 1993 2.5 Mitsubishi Pajero lwb 7 seater which I have owned for 7yrs when I purchased it I replaced the timing/balanceshaft belts waterpump and tensioners for peace of mind and it has cost me nothing apart from regular oil/filter changes every 3k miles & the usual brake pads and an odd balljoint,and it has past its mot every year since with no advisory's and is used 7 days a week .
I have steared well clear of dci engines and my diesel espaces have been reliable not had a single major failure dci engines do seem to be very troublesome
Best thing to do is buy an older model with the g8t engine much better and more reliable
I have a grand espace 2.2dci 2004 with about 75k on the clock and last week it started a loud ticking noise, got it taken to the garage and they said it would be about 7,500 euros for a new engine.
This car seems to have this same problem over and over when I look on the web, has anyone got anywhere with Renault or Watchdog or anything in fighting to say it is a fault with the car?
I got nowhere with Renault - they offered me a paltry £1000 off a new one - as if!!
My husband emailed watchdog but we heard nothing back. It's worth a try though - if everyone contacted watchdog then they might look into it further.
I remain convinced that there are serious issues with this engine but unfortunately I was lacking in proof other than lots of examples on this website.
Add me to your list.
We have just returned from France and with our wheels hardly warm from the UK roads the engine starts banging loudly. We stop and call the breakdown, who informs us the engine is about to seize. Now at the garage, we are told in needs a new engine. Not happy, my car is a 2.2DCI 2004 plate, having done 78,000 miles.
Not sure what to do next.
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