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I knew ours had some rust, but this bit was a surprise. This (rusty) upright strut doesn't seem to be supplied with the eBay £75 replacement jobs. Does anyone know how to get hold of one? I'm hoping the star bolts come undone, but I'd agree they look a bit seized.
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Is the front subframe ok,
If you buy a GENUINE SUBFRAME FROM RENAULT, no holes for that plate to bolt onto
AND the worse part is, they will supply you that part, ( For a Fee ) when you order the subframe off them
SO shady Main agents .

EBAY subframes DO NOT COME with holes for that plate to fit to
JUST letting you know as been caught out from main agents


AND have fitted subframes bought off ebay
BOTH * Ebay and genuine ) dont come with these holes for the plates ( Number 5 ) to bolt on
 
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Is the front subframe ok,
If you buy a GENUINE SUBFRAME FROM RENAULT, no holes for that plate to bolt onto
AND the worse part is, they will supply you that part, ( For a Fee ) when you order the subframe off them

BOTH * Ebay and genuine ) dont come with these holes for the plates ( Number 5 ) to bolt on
^ ^ That's odd. Is this vertical plate an extra just for automatics I wonder.
 

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Think they must have decided its not needed

I mentioned this on here a couple of years ago, was well miffed
The subframe was 3 times price of ebay
ordered one plate as only one needed
Fit subframe no holes, rang and parts bloke said thats how they are
Mentioned the plate ( Ordered at same time ) he didn't have an answer , just we had ordered the plate , and we had to pay for the parts before they would order them

NO difference between an auto and manual
Its also a crash barrier, and there has to be a gap between front and rear (of the Front subframes )i
 
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I was always under the impression it's nothing more than a guard for the rotation of belts and pulleys from mud water sticks and stones . my 3 scenics have them in various degrees of solidness lol.
 

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Today's job, and pleased with result. Jacked up, removed wheel and wheel arch liner, liberal use of freeing oil on the bolts :) and three of them undid with no drama.... but the fourth one (nearest the rust) oh dear, the rust had effectively joined the bolt to the plate! Eventually did it by ripping off most of the plate and wrapping the rusty remains around the bolt, so I could get mole grips on it. Big thank you to Phil48 for the exploded diagram in his earlier post [#2], that helped me understand what I had to do.
Painted the frame with rust paint & Hammerite; new plate on, sorted.
If anyone else needs to do it, give it a go! Total £73.51. At least I feel the car will be slightly safer for my other half, the plate must be there for something, even if it's just a marginal improvement in structural integrity of the car and the 5-star NCAP rating. Plate £51.26, bolts £2.50 each, all plus VAT. Pictures:-
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Today's job, and pleased with result. Jacked up, removed wheel and wheel arch liner, liberal use of freeing oil on the bolts :) and three of them undid with no drama.... but the fourth one (nearest the rust) oh dear, the rust had effectively joined the bolt to the plate! Eventually did it by ripping off most of the plate and wrapping the rusty remains around the bolt, so I could get mole grips on it. Big thank you to Phil48 for the exploded diagram in his earlier post [#2], that helped me understand what I had to do.
Painted the frame with rust paint & Hammerite; new plate on, sorted.
If anyone else needs to do it, give it a go! Total £73.51. At least I feel the car will be slightly safer for my other half, the plate must be there for something, even if it's just a marginal improvement in structural integrity of the car and the 5-star NCAP rating. Plate £51.26, bolts £2.50 each, all plus VAT. Pictures:-
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Good job!!

I am doing the same thing on my Mk3 clio. I ordered the radiator mount and realised there were no holes for the plate, as mentioned in the above comments from Ours2012, but in your photos here, it looks like yours does have these holes.

Did you buy the one with the holes, or did you just reuse the old one?
 

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Hi, I was able to save the old frame by painting it in anti rust paint. Same with the back leg, so I only had to buy the front leg and 4 bolts. The eBay frames for about £80 don't have the holes, but the Renault ones presumably do but they are over £200.
 

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I guess you could drill the holes, but it's quite thick metal, they need to be accurately positioned and won't be threaded, so you'd need nuts on the back of the bolts.
Cheers.

Is there room to place a nut if I only drill through 1 layer of metal? Or will I need to drill through the entire thing to get a nut on it?

Or, would it be OK / MOT pass to just weld the front leg to it...?
 

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Cheers.

Is there room to place a nut if I only drill through 1 layer of metal? Or will I need to drill through the entire thing to get a nut on it?

Or, would it be OK / MOT pass to just weld the front leg to it...?
Hello KD,
I recall I was able to see the threads of the bolts to squirt some Double-T freeing oil in, but that's not the same as being able to get my fingers in to hold a nut whilst screwing in the bolt!
Best have a look at your own frame and decide. Don't see a problem with using longer bolts through the full width, provided you can see the other side. I can't recall without looking what's in that space.
Have another look at your original frame in case it can be saved by painting it. That would save a lot of grief.
MoT would be ok with welding it. In theory the MoT shouldn't have a problem with this frame at all, it's technically not a structural part of the car, but we hear that some garages don't really know that! The structural part of the car is just to the rear of the frame where the suspension arms bolt on, and you can jack the car up from that bit, but don't jack it under the rad support frame..
 

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just take the plates off and leave off, there is no way of putting a nut on the inside to accept a bolt, all you will do is weaken your new front subframe by drilling it.
 

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just take the plates off and leave off, there is no way of putting a nut on the inside to accept a bolt, all you will do is weaken your new front subframe by drilling it.
Ours2012: I can understand your point of view, but I don't necessarily agree!! :cautious:
The new frame with bolt holes will be stronger than the old rusty one without plates ...
.. and the original/Renault ones had bolt holes anyway.
I think the plates (/legs) will add more strength than the holes will take away.
 

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I bought a subframe from renault, the new ones dont have holes in,
So how can we fix the side plates?
You did not change yours,
Look at your subframe, the bottom is sealed, you cannot cut a hole in, you cannot drill through one side to the other to put a bolt in, as the minute you tighten the nut, the subframe will be crushed
they have obviously changed the design ,
 
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