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Renault Laguna I - Phase 1 - Wheels and Tyres - CV joint question! Ball Joint + Wishbone Info

My W 2000 laguna sport 1.9 dci (lag 1, facelift) has just failed its MOT on a worn off-side CV joint. I rang around to buy the part myself and found that I could only buy the CV joint as part of the drive shaft at a cost of around £115. The garage quoted me £125 all in, so I went with that.

But here's the thing, I checked the work this morning to see that the CV boot had popped off (grease everywhere!) and the drive shaft is the original renault part (complete with rust and renault part stickers!).

Obviously I'm not happy with the boot coming off, but what I'm more concerened about is weather or not I've been ripped off into paying for parts that haven't been fitted.

Incidentaly I had no idea that the CV joint was worn, no knocking etc before the garage told me!

Does anybody know if its possible to replace just the CV joint?

Thanks in advance!
 

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Hi,

I drove tremendous mileages in a succession of Ford Scorpios some time ago and the drive shafts used to start knocking, (CV joints going) I used to replace them, then I found out that if you stripped them down and rebuilt them and greased them well they were ok, this was because the stripping and rebuilding meant the balls and carriers went back in different places so cancelling out the wear! Don't quote me but this is what your cheap garage could have done.
 
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Take it back to the garage and demand to see the receipt for the parts that were ordered to fix your car.

If they cannot produce the paperwork take them to the cleaners.


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Thanks for your posts!

I took the car back to the garage on the way home from work last night. I told them about the boot coming off and they put it on the ramps and fixed it there and then. Whilst it was up there I spoke to the mechanic who happened to have done the CV joint work, he showed me the old CV joint he had removed from my car. I was worrying over nothing, I guess garages can get access to parts that joe public can't!

Paranoia strikes again!
 
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"I guess garages can get access to parts that joe public can't!"

Err not in my experience..

I had an offside ball joint fitted to my laguna before I took delivery of it..

It was a neccesary thing to rectify and it was highlighted on the RAC inspection prior to buying..

Well around 6 months later I found that the os balljoint also needed replacing.

Now as anyone with a similar experience will tell you.. You can't buy a replacement balljoint for a laguna II from Renault.. The balljoint is rivoted to the lower wishbone arm.. You have to buy the complete wishbone arm ( around £120 ) which I did and had it fitted by my friendly italian back street garage for £15..


Now getting to the point of my ramblings..

When inspecting the original repair to the n/s balljoint we noticed that it was a bit of a botch job.. The original repair was done on the cheap..

The knackered ball joint had the rivots drilled out and the replacement ( I suspect either a breakers part or maybe the eariler laguna ball joint ) was crudely bolted to the wishbone arm..

Be careful what you beleive of your garage. They may have shown you someone elses cv joint and without the paperwork to prove things you may have been fooled into beleiving your paranoid.

You have every right to demand to see the paperwork if you wish to question things and I would strongly suggest you go back and check.

I have called Renault and your correct regards the part so please do yourself a favour before you end up 6 months down the line with another bill to pay..
 

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Good point, it could well have been someone elses CV joint. I'll check it out.

THanks again.
 

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I would definately dig a little deeper.It sounds slightly suspect that a CV joint should fail an MOT and then for them to fit a part that technically doesn't exist.For a CV joint to fail an MOT it has to meet certain criteria,and most of these would manifest themselves to the owner well before the car ever went for it's MOT.Something doesn't quite add up here..........
 

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"I guess garages can get access to parts that joe public can't!"

Err not in my experience..

I had an offside ball joint fitted to my laguna before I took delivery of it..

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Now getting to the point of my ramblings..

When inspecting the original repair to the n/s balljoint we noticed that it was a bit of a botch job.. The original repair was done on the cheap..

The knackered ball joint had the rivots drilled out and the replacement ( I suspect either a breakers part or maybe the eariler laguna ball joint ) was crudely bolted to the wishbone arm..
Sorry, but got to correct you on this. This is not a botch job at all, it was standard practice until recent years, I did it with my MG Maestro. You bought the ball joint, drilled (actually chiselling is easier as it stretches the rivets and makes them easier to knock out), the factory rivets out, and fitted the new ball joint to the arm using bolts and nyloc nuts which come with the ball joint normally.

It's only in recent years that they seem to have cottoned on that they can make more money out of you by not supplying replacement ball joints anymore, and making you buy the full arm which you don't need.

The only time you really need to change the arm is if the car has been kerbed of something and bent the arm. It's just a money making racket by the parts companies, not the garage doing a botch job.

For some cars you can still get just the ball joint, which is obviously the way to go if you can get it.

As for mechanics having access to parts that the public can't get, that's not true, but they probably know to ask for a particular part (ie if just a ball joint is available), where the parts dep't will probably just try to sell the public the most expensive part (the whole wishbone). Plus people in the trade get parts at trade prices too, which applies to all walks of life.
 

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I had a similar problem with a 2002 Intiale DCi where the inner nearside gaiter split. Cannot obtain one from RenUk must buy the whole shaft!
Tried various specialists/factors who could not obtain either the shaft or a proper gaiter. In the end my friendly non specialist garage made a repair.
 

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CV joints.... ah my nightmare.....

I change my gearbox recently and decide to change both inner & outer CV joints. while getting the inner on off it decided to break!!! so I also needed one. they are hard to find and Renault do a CV bearing kit... thats what they told me. anyway this was £60+ plus VAT. so I sourced a renault dismantler... A5 French car Dismantlers. Nr. Leighton Buzzard. I got a new drive shaft for my laguna '95.

the thing is that the drive shaft was slightly different and didnt fit straight in. so I dismantled the CV joint (newone) and put the old one back together..... is was a bit fiddly but I did it. So I did the same with the other bearing and now its great.

were theres a will theres a way...... specially if you want to save money!!!!!
 

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just a quick note that it was the same for my vectra as it is for the laguna. they both have the riveted type of balljoint but if the inner mounts are ok you can get a joint replacment without the arm for eg. http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/Renault_Laguna_1.8_2003/p/car-parts/suspension-and-steering/suspension/suspension-arm-and-suspension-joints/?617745180&1&bc38897569484cf21470df77d29461ff85ced94f&000019 only £20 from eurocarparts and beats dropping the subframe to get to the arm bolts.
just a thought lol.
 

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ribz3512 , you do realise no one has posted on this thread since 2006 but thanks for putting the info on as i'm sure other members will find it useful .

Ian
 

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ribz3512 , you do realise no one has posted on this thread since 2006 but thanks for putting the info on as i'm sure other members will find it useful .

Ian
Thanks for the reply IT66. no i didn't realise the date of the post soz peeps lol. but as you say it might prove useful to someone.
 

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It is good information so it isn't a waste of time and your not the 1st member to answer an old post and that includes me as well :eek: ..
 

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just a quick note that it was the same for my vectra as it is for the laguna. they both have the riveted type of balljoint but if the inner mounts are ok you can get a joint replacment without the arm for eg. http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/Renault_Laguna_1.8_2003/p/car-parts/suspension-and-steering/suspension/suspension-arm-and-suspension-joints/?617745180&1&bc38897569484cf21470df77d29461ff85ced94f&000019 only £20 from eurocarparts and beats dropping the subframe to get to the arm bolts.
just a thought lol.
I'm looking at ball joints right now, this is super helpful. Big thanks
 
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