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Hi folks,


I'm Marko and I've recently started a company to sell aftermarket Head up Displays. (a gadget that projects speed onto your windscreen)


Here’s a quick video and a couple of photographs:








I’m after some test pilots to fit it to various models, snap some photos and a write quick “how to” for it. (I provide universal instructions, but photos of the actual car make it much easier for others to follow)

I’m offering a big discount as a thank you for being a stupendous badass in exchange: These are £69.99 retail, will be £60 to forum members, and are just £40 inc post if you’re the ones who snap the photos and add the “how to” to the speedview.co forum.

Perhaps most interesting to you ladies and gents is that you can adjust it to read absolutely spot-on even if you've played with tyres, gearboxes, or diffs – or just to correct for an over-optimistic factory speedometer. Did I mention it being dead flair and showing up well on trackday cameras too?


Any questions just ask here and I’ll happily explain more, or if you think you’d like to give it a go, drop me a line at [email protected] - thanks!

Here are the universal install instructions:
http://www.speedview.co/help/download
The techie part is knowing where to find three wires – earth, ignition 12V, and vehicle speed signal (vss). We can also make these work with mechanical speedometers


Here is some more general information:
http://www.speedview.co/

More frequently asked questions than you can shake a stick at here:
http://www.speedview.co/forum/Forum-Frequently-Asked-Questions-FAQs

And finally some technical info for the older cars with mechanical speedos:
http://www.speedview.co/forum/Forum-General-Technical-Info

Thanks!

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I had a HUD on my previous car and it was great. However, it didn't just display speed but also navigation maps/instructions plus high beam alert, rpm and various other data. I assume your unit can only display speed? Also, is there any way in which the speed readout can be changed between mph & km/h?
 

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Hi Tony,


Speed only - keep it simple with the first product, and keep it simple to install.


You can display mph and kph. It is not an instant change (you need to change the 'calibration value' on the unit) but I'm sure you'll have 30 seconds to spare on the ferry!

http://www.speedview.co/forum/Thread-Can-the-display-work-in-mph-Can-the-display-work-in-kph


Navigation instructions would be rather handy, but the work to integrate with each individual vehicle model is prohibitively expensive. (unlike the speed signal, there is no 'standard' data format)

I don't do rpm (or gear position) because they're not a whole lot of use these days - people use ears and the 'human backside sensor' to decide when to change gear, rather than the tacho.

Similar with main-beam - you can see it pretty clearly - but I am looking at consolidated a warning light for future products. (your brake fault, engine overheat, anything that warrants a 'stop now' situation)


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if you give me 1 for free i will do a how to with photos no probs lol:d
 

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Evening Hoochy,


It doesn't work that way I'm afraid! ;)


In my experience the "I'll take one if its free" crowd don't want one enough to put the effort in - either the SpeedView sits on the shelf, never getting fitted, or the How-To they write is lousy and no use to anybody. :(

People willing to invest the £40 do a much better job - because they're the ones who want to do it. :cool:


There's also the minor detail that I can't afford to give them away for free: £40 is already selling at a loss and there's no more house deposit left to start this business. :eek:


Never hurts to ask though. ;)


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Hi there speedview,

I was looking at HUDs a little while ago, and this offer looks interesting.

I have a list of questions I'm afraid (don't worry most are pretty straightforward :) ):
Do you have a paypal account?
Can I send a cheque?
Does your shop use SSL (i.e. https://)

Why is your website 'www.speedview.co' and not 'www.speedview.co.uk' ?

Does the unit use any current when the car is off?
Are there any known issues with air/con, winter or summer heat with the screen?
Are there max/min distances that the unit can be from the windscreen? (thinking focal)

umm - ok probably all for now.

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Can the unit be fitted on a Renault that has a combined radio navigation system?

If a tracking system is already attached to the radio wiring will either the tracking system or display system be affected?
 

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Hello,


Questions are good! :cool:


I don't use SSL on my site because I don't collect payment details - I send you straight to PayPal or Google Checkout to process the payment and they keep your details secure.

I don't do cheques. I don't do bank transfers. I don't do cash. (paying on a credit card offers you the best security, even if it does cost me more)


I'm at www.speedview.co because other people had bought speedview.co.uk and speedview.com and are "squatting" on the domain names. Nothing too exciting there!


The unit uses zero current when the car is off.

No problems with temperature extremes, just don't leave the roof down on a convertible (saying that, I've done is several times myself to no ill effect) or scratch the film if scraping ice off the inside of the screen. (the MX5 was very VERY frozen last winter!)

For all practical designs of windscreen, no limits on distance. When you have a very vertical screen (eg - Land-Rover Defender) it helps to tilt the unit towards the glass slightly. When you have a very horizontal screen (eg - Nissan GTR) your digits will end up squished a little heightwise, but this is not a problem.


Keep 'em coming - I'll add to the FAQs :)

http://www.speedview.co/forum/Forum-Frequently-Asked-Questions-FAQs
 

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Hi,


Can the unit be fitted on a Renault that has a combined radio navigation system?
Yes, provided that you know where to find the 'speed pulse' signal. If it has a radio/nav then that usually makes it easier to find. (the radio/nav will most certainly have speed pulse information sent to it)


If a tracking system is already attached to the radio wiring will either the tracking system or display system be affected?
In simple terms, the SpeedView just "eavesdrops" on the speed information the car provides, so no problem at all - the car doesn't even know that its there and isn't affected by it. :cool:
 

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Thanks for the reply. I like the idea of it but not the fitting. Getting behind the dash to the connectors is no fun and, with a French car, is very likely to result in squeaks and rattles afterwards!

It's interesting to read in the installation manual that the fitting must not be directly in front of the driver, though, since this was exactly where it was fitted on my car and where it's fitted on all the cars I've ever seen, which have HUD as standard. So much for it being illegal, if the car manufacturers themselves put it there!

I never found this location caused any problem. In fact, the whole point of having it directly in line of sight was that you looked 'through' it (actually, just above it) and didn't have to move your eyes to see the information. I don't like the idea of locating it in the corner, it defeats the whole objective.


BMW 7 Series


Citroen C6


Toyota Prius
 

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Afternoon,


I like the idea of it but not the fitting.
Thanks! That's a fairly common comment and I'm working on it. ;-)

This first product is targeted more towards older vehicles to be fair (they're more likely to be project cars/toy cars) and I'm working on a product for the newer vehicles that will be more plug and play:

http://forum.rs246.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=94576

I'm working on the guides too - with the same photos and text, it looks much less scary as a comic: :cool:

http://www.speedview.co/forum/Thread-Instructions-MX5-1-8-Mk2-NB-model-approx-1998-2000

http://www.speedview.co/forum/Thread-How-To-Comic-Mazda-MX5-Mk2-NB-1-6-1-8-approx-98-00


with a French car, is very likely to result in squeaks and rattles afterwards!
I'll take the diplomatic approach - no comment! A tip on reassembling interiors? Buy lots of sticky-back felt, and put little pieces of it between any parts that could rub as you put the interior back together. (this is what the OEMs do)


It's interesting to read in the installation manual that the fitting must not be directly in front of the driver, though, since this was exactly where it was fitted on my car and where it's fitted on all the cars I've ever seen, which have HUD as standard. So much for it being illegal, if the car manufacturers themselves put it there!
You've got to remember two things here:

-The car makers are using special glass, which eliminates the need to use the projection film but isn't practical as an aftermarket solution. The film is what you can't have in Zone A - its in danger of falling foul of a policeman's interpretation of the construction and use regs. (no hard/fast rule like the MOT, its all 'expert' opinion based, so I err on the side of caution)

-The car makers *are* a law unto themselves, especially those on the continent. (it is legal to do things as an OEM that are illegal in the aftermarket, and if something is approved in France/Germany than its legal here even if its against existing UK rules)

Specifically, if you take a look at the MOT rules in windscreens there's a line "opaque stickers on the glass will fail, unless fitted by the OEM" and if you look at construction and use regs, any display in the driver's line of sight is potentially llegal but this gets overruled by Brussels.


you looked 'through' it (actually, just above it)
Bingo! (you're on the money there) No OEM fits a head up display in your direct line of sight - they're always in your peripheral vision, or corner of your eye if you prefer.

Their chosen location is the 'bottom' of your peripheral vision, but this is as much for packaging reasons (take a look at the size of the projection units for these multi-functional displays) and "the customer isn't wrong if they're forking over 50k for a new car, even if they are wrong." (only the original M5 is in the corner IIRC, but that was a more expensive/driver-focused design)

Putting the SpeedView off to the side, rather than directly in front of you, its still in your peripheral vision so just as useful. More so even, as you're drawing the eye towards the mirror/centre of the road, rather than towards the end of the bonnet when you 'consult' the display.

30 days no quibble returns if you'd like to try this in person! ;)


didn't have to move your eyes to see the information
You will move your eyes. Much less, and there'll be much less focal length/contrast adjustment required, but there is still movement. You don't need to move your eyes for it to be in peripheral vision though. Its like comparing a rear-view mirror with a passenger mirror. You don't see what's in them unless you look at them directly, but you're always aware of something happening in the rear view because its in peripheral vision.
 

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i have been looking around one out put can be on the obd socket could be easy to find with a meter

this is what i found

A, generally be found at the back of the plug of the instrument panel
B be found on ABS brake pump output plugs or gearbox
C, Some models be found in the interface of OBD
D be found from the Plug Behind the Audio
E be found in Car ECU or ECM
F, Professionals use the oscilloscope to find, Idle running voltage of about 1V, the car in motion different cycles of the pulse is given the speed signal line
 

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My preferences are:

-Radio/sat nav harness (easiest to get to)
-Instrument cluster harness (almost always here)
-ECU outputs (ABS or gearbox ECU are usually the source)

Its rare to find it (in the right format) on the OBD plug. There will be speed information there (and lots more) but it isn't in a compatible format. (CANbus rather than 'SPEED PULSE' - its like the difference between the send/receive internet and the receive-only radio)

Some cars don't have it at all. Old ones have clockwork speedos (don't worry, I supply an adapter) and some very new ones are CANbus only. (the dealers charge extra to turn on the SPEED PULSE wire for the sat nav or taxi meter)

Pros won't use a scope - we look for the wiring diagrams! ;)
 

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Pros won't use a scope - we look for the wiring diagrams! ;)
Sadly many manufacturers are now guarding such information as wiring diagrams like it was gold dust - many copyright protected. Renault in particular jealously protect their documentation. The other difficulty is that Renault use a different protocol in their software thus making things much more difficult. Also Renault dealers charge somewhere between £70 and £100 for altering the ECU or UCH (canbus) settings - more than the cost of the HUD unit itself.

Whilst the idea of a heads up display may appeal to many any additonal costs may put some people off.

Personally I think it's good idea but fitting (without detailed instructions) on a modern car may be beyond the capabilities of the ordinary DIY'er. Hopefully someone may find and easy way after doing their own install.

Good luck with the business.:)
 

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Edited:

Sadly many manufacturers are now guarding such information as wiring diagrams like it was gold dust - many copyright protected. Renault in particular jealously protect their documentation. The other difficulty is that Renault use a different protocol in their software thus making things much more difficult. Also Renault dealers charge somewhere between £70 and £100 for altering the ECU or UCH (canbus) settings - more than the cost of the HUD unit itself.

Even for the most recent models, workshop manuals are readily available from a variety of sources. If you're searching on http://www.google.com be aware that Renault may not sanction all every one of these sources.


If you try to buy a workshop manual from Renault, and are refused or they attempt to charge what appears to be an extortionate price, then the unfair terms in consumer contracts rules will come into play. Basically, they aren't allowed to abuse their negotiating/monopoly position. (these were the same rules that the banks had to admit defeat over recently on overdraft charges etc)

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1999/2083/contents/made
 
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My apologies - I must confess that I've read so many of the forum rules in the last few weeks (about 150 in total) that I've lost track of whose rules are what.

Outside links have usually been acceptable (no material that I don't own the copyright to was reproduced on the forum) but I'll try to avoid all but my own site in future.


For the record, everything on www.speedview.co is licensed with a Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 copyright - for forum purposes you can basically do as you please with it. :cool:

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A little too condescending! I suppose you can also remember every line of small print on every forum/internet site/bank account/insurance policy etc. you belong to? :rolleyes:

Oh, and there's an apostrophe in Devil's Laguna :p
 
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A little too condescending! I suppose you can also remember every line of small print on every forum/internet site/bank account/insurance policy etc. you belong to? :rolleyes:

Oh, and there's an apostrophe in Devil's Laguna :p
sorry but what has this to do with you?
 
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