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K9k crank timing gear pin broken gap on shaft 1.5 dci

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#1 ·
Hi as you may have seen in another post

I had been hearing noise and couldn't identify it the car was running fine then lost power overtaking on motorway but went back to normal again,parked the car which was running fine before turning off went back a few hours later and it wouldn't turn over. I stopped trying straight away went to try turn over by hand from crank bolt as soon as I removed the arch liner I seen the issue rite away!

The bolt on the crank pulley I was able to remove by hand without even a socket! It's usually the exact opposite they get stuck not loose!

So god knows someone must have not tightened or something I'll never know,I removed the pulley and found this

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As you can see the pin has partially broken and moved slightly out of time with the crank it's self

So I'm waiting on a new crank gear which should be like this


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You can clearly see the difference

See I'm hoping due to this happening when turning the starter it may have not bent a valve I will retime turn by hand start then do a compression test.

See what I'm wondering is do you see the Inside part where the pin goes into? It looks like it's been enlarged on mine ,Im worried the pin won't sit totally still and allow the gear to move slightly? How could I get around this ?


I was thinking worse case scenario a wee bit of weld?


See the plan is if valves are bent I will be removing the head anyways

So going to do all the seals and head gasket

Valve stems
Valves
Piston rings
Might port the head
And just do a really good cleanup and refurb of everything and replace anything else I come across

See the car I'm not a lot of money into and the body is rust free interior is ok and driving wise it's not got a single shake or rattle and good brakes and clutch.

So the way I see it after a rebuilt refurbed engine I will be under £1500 into the car in total Inc purchase price so I couldnt really complain I would be left with a clean car that I know is put together correctly 💯 and should do the same miles it already has done all over again





Thanks guys sorry for my rambling on
But if you could let me know if you have any ideas of what I should do if there is a gap when I fit the new crank gear
 
#2 ·
I agree, I think the keyway in the crankshaft is rounded out.I don't know what you do about it.
Incidentally I don't think it has slipped because of a loose pulley bolt- I think it's the opposite- it's loose because the key has failed. I believe that keyed crankshafts don't have to have an insanely tight bolt anyway.
But don't rely on my opinion- my experience is limited to changing 2 timing belts, one keyed, one not.
 
#4 ·
Thanks guys

Yeah will be using a new bolt and red locktite

See I'm lead to believe some k9ks don't know if earlier or later have no key and are held by the bolt
And locating pins

But some have the key which locates like mine

I'm not sure how to work it as I'm not taking any chances!

If needed I will line up the timing mark and weld the gear and the crankshaft part at the locating pin to fill the gap

But I'm hoping someone may have a better option than me welding it because I wouldn't want this to happen again
 
#6 ·
Yes, maybe, don't know.
It is certain that the visible bit of crank slot is worn but until stripped down, will not know for sure.... it may be purely local and a new key will sort.
I'm not sure I would weld the new key in.
With decent facilities I would weld the slot and re-machine.... like getting the crank out and onto a milling machine.
Could weld and clean up with a dremel in situ but that would be a right ball ache.
Also consider if welding in situ that the welder earth should be on the crank.... on the block means the current has to track though the big end bearings and that can lead to welding them up.
Metal epoxy may be the answer but again, depends on actual state of the slot in the crank.
Old fashioned engineering would be to drill and tap a hole into the join between pulley and crank and stuff in a grubscrew.

If I recall correctly, keys on this engine are not so much to guarantee location but to shear if a jam so that the bottom end of the engine is protected.
 
#8 ·
Plan on porting the head if removing don't know if anyone has done that on these engines?

Had a good Improvement on other engines it really depends on the Quallity of the casting if it's not great a port makes a decent difference also if the holes can be enlarged to much of a different size

Some are already pretty decent so not worth touching