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I paid £500 for last repair i believe you told me in my first post that good equipment will save time and it did there support is bang on future proof... that garage is £80 diag and £70 an hour labour the d8 does dpf key programming 31 special services and 3 years free updates quick email done deal autel and snapon are gonna lose millions dont take my word for it.. ive got 3 cars and a van its a cheaper option thanks no doubt i'll be back😂
Congrats!

Just for the sake of completeness and good reference:

So initially, the XTOOL D8 could not code the injectors either,
Some remote intervention via the XTOOL D8 managed to sort the "controller" ...............
which controller?
using a XTOOL D8 "feature"? ............
if so what "feature"? ............ eg something like "reset ECU" or what?
if not a built-in "feature" then how was this accomplished remotely?

and once done the XTOOL D8 managed to code the injectors


Could we ask you to us your new tool and post up the current 4 individual injector compensation values with the engine idling please?
Ok so bought this a week ago was initially impressed until i tried to clear po611 showing as 061155 unknown code on delphi neither could delete this or the case of xtool the df276 missing codes in memory.. i trawled the internet and forums, just to find it seem to be either a wiring issue or a power down flat battery issue or electrical software issue created by a bad ficm.. fuel injection control module. So i emailed xtool got a respose in a couple of hours, a few more emails asking in depth questions and was given a slot for the day. I was told to give my team viewer code which i did and told be connected to the car and wifi at 10am the next morning.. so 9.55 i got connected txt conversation with an engineer he already knew what i was talking about, so he updated my my xtool for about 30 minutes asking the odd question then he tried to clear the codes which via the tool he couldn't so updated again which worked watch him flick through the screens i would say he flashed it maybe..? But success he told me i coul now reprogram the injectors..so i did worked first Time started the car it run fine.. Scanned and rescanned it no codes they've given me today a eprom reader for the inconvenience sounds good customer service top notch..
 
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Ok so bought this a week ago was initially impressed until i tried to clear po611 showing as 061155 unknown code on delphi neither could delete this or the case of xtool the df276 missing codes in memory.. i trawled the internet and forums, just to find it seem to be either a wiring issue or a power down flat battery issue or electrical software issue created by a bad ficm.. fuel injection control module. So i emailed xtool got a respose in a couple of hours, a few more emails asking in depth questions and was given a slot for the day. I was told to give my team viewer code which i did and told be connected to the car and wifi at 10am the next morning.. so 9.55 i got connected txt conversation with an engineer he already knew what i was talking about, so he updated my my xtool for about 30 minutes asking the odd question then he tried to clear the codes which via the tool he couldn't so updated again which worked watch him flick through the screens i would say he flashed it maybe..? But success he told me i coul now reprogram the injectors..so i did worked first Time started the car it run fine.. Scanned and rescanned it no codes they've given me today a eprom reader for the inconvenience sounds good customer service top notch.. View attachment 195793 View attachment 195794 View attachment 195795 View attachment 195797 View attachment 195796
 
Thanks for taking the time to post all the extra details - invaluable for others sitting with the same issue.

Have to say I agree the service you received is 1st class.

I see the Renault module's version is 9.90 on your scanner - do you remember if it was on that already before the Teamviewer intervention - iow - I am sure you updated the unit on receipt - was that also the latest version available at that time? (did he create an on-the-fly updated version of Renault especially for you)



Those posted compensation values - ideal world - individual values should all be very close to 0 and they should add together to a total of 0 if all is good on the injectors and the engine (ECU, mechanically and calibration wise)

In your case, it would seem acceptable but I have to ask are those new injectors or recon'd units? - especially in cylinders 1 and 2

Also - what is your engine's state of mechanical wear - good service record with good oil change history?
 
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Thanks for taking the time to post all the extra details - invaluable for others sitting with the same issue.

Have to say I agree the service you received is 1st class.

I see the Renault module's version is 9.90 on your scanner - do you remember if it was on that already before the Teamviewer intervention - iow - I am sure you updated the unit on receipt - was that also the latest version available at that time? (did he create an on-the-fly updated version of Renault especially for you)



Those posted compensation values - ideal world - individual values should all be very close to 0 and they should add together to a total of 0 if all is good on the injectors and the engine (ECU, mechanically and calibration wise)

In your case, it would seem acceptable but I have to ask are those new injectors or recon'd units? - especially in cylinders 1 and 2

Also - what is your engine's state of mechanical wear - good service record with good oil change history?
Version update if he did he was so quick i dont know, i did out of the box but every other day you get updates they're free for 3 years but they tell me if you need something special ask ive booked one for adjusting the injector compensation rate. Look they've been around for 10 years and sell top of the range garage equipment now i read some guys in america claim thed8 was a too level platform capable of taking all there soft ware..who knows but everywhere i researched it was always exceptional so it swung me 3 years free plus £149 a year later i would of probably upgraded by then..? So far today ive had 4 emails key reader on backorder for a month they will still, send it but as an apology again dropped £30 in my paypal what can i say impressed .. my injectors are original 2009 94,000 owned by me 3 years I've serviced no history when i bought it had a leaky no 1 injector for sometime.. i cleaned and resealed it was all fine until broken senor wire now good again, im not a curious mess about I'm of the school not broke dont fix it... buy an anyscan dongle download the app bidirectional app tech aye tdy the service I'm sure there's no catch.. just honest company...
 
Version update if he did he was so quick i dont know, i did out of the box but every other day you get updates they're free for 3 years but they tell me if you need something special ask ive booked one for adjusting the injector compensation rate. Look they've been around for 10 years and sell top of the range garage equipment now i read some guys in america claim thed8 was a too level platform capable of taking all there soft ware..who knows but everywhere i researched it was always exceptional so it swung me 3 years free plus £149 a year later i would of probably upgraded by then..? So far today ive had 4 emails key reader on backorder for a month they will still, send it but as an apology again dropped £30 in my paypal what can i say impressed .. my injectors are original 2009 94,000 owned by me 3 years I've serviced no history when i bought it had a leaky no 1 injector for sometime.. i cleaned and resealed it was all fine until broken senor wire now good again, im not a curious mess about I'm of the school not broke dont fix it... buy an anyscan dongle download the app bidirectional app tech aye tdy the service I'm sure there's no catch.. just honest company...
Those injector compensation values cannot (and should not) be adjusted in the scanner software - its a value determined by the ECU to give an indication of the amount of compensation it has to perform, per cylinder, relative to the injector calibration code for that cylinder, in order to make the engine rotate smoothly as per the engineering maps found in the ECU (no engine shake due to one or more cylinder' contribution not as expected) - its normally the values on a diesel I look at soon as a new vehicle arrives here with issues ..................... its always a good indication of the number of issues you can expect when tackling any job on the control system.

when i bought it had a leaky no 1 injector for sometime..
This is important to know and keep in mind when working on that engine - chances are that leaky injector caused some (?) barrel/ring washing and wear in that cylinder so it's mechanical power contribution to overall smooth running may be affected ................

Strange cylinder #2 also has to compensate a fair bit - and negative relative to calibration value of injector ................... I would be thinking possibly a leaky injector there atm , and I am willing to bet the #1 cylinder injector is no longer in calibration spec hence its fairly big positive compensation.

Don't think immediate action is required yet, but keep it mind

My goal with compensation values are always to be + or - only 0.2 at most................ especially with new injectors and a known well-calibrated code on it - any fiddling/disturbing of the injector mechanicals basically invalidates the injector code
 
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Those injector compensation values cannot (and should not) be adjusted in the scanner software - its a value determined by the ECU to give an indication of the amount of compensation it has to perform, per cylinder, relative to the injector calibration code for that cylinder, in order to make the engine rotate smoothly as per the engineering maps found in the ECU (no engine shake due to one or more cylinder' contribution not as expected) - its normally the values on a diesel I look at soon as a new vehicle arrives here with issues ..................... its always a good indication of the number of issues you can expect when tackling any job on the control system.


This is important to know and keep in mind when working on that engine - chances are that leaky injector caused some (?) barrel/ring washing and wear in that cylinder so it's mechanical power contribution to overall smooth running may be affected ................

Strange cylinder #2 also has to compensate a fair bit - and negative relative to calibration value of injector ................... I would be thinking possibly a leaky injector there atm , and I am willing to bet the #1 cylinder injector is no longer in calibration spec hence its fairly big positive compensation.

Don't think immediate action is required yet, but keep it mind

My goal with compensation values are always to be + or - only 0.2 at most................ especially with new injectors and a known well-calibrated code on it - any fiddling/disturbing of the injector mechanicals basically invalidates the injector code
But isn't true that some injectors come with a compensation rate on the side an thus can be adjusted for refinement so a tolerance can be programmed in ...?
 
But isn't true that some injectors come with a compensation rate on the side an thus can be adjusted for refinement so a tolerance can be programmed in ...?
Injectors (new) come with a bench flow calibration spec stamped on the body (the code you stick in the ECU) - the ECU uses that characteristic, per cylinder, to create a smooth running engine by continuously measuring/monitoring the flywheel acceleration/speed every time a specific cylinder is fired and then adjusting the injector's injection volume the next cycle - if you have a compensation value on a specific cylinder exactly equal to 0, it means the engineers know what they were doing with the ECU fueling and timing maps in the ECU, and the guy producing the injector is a boffin ................ or very lucky.

If you have a non-zero compensation value on a specific cylinder on a running engine, it implies the ECU has to compensate for something in order to make the engine spin smoothly - negative or positive values mean the calibration curve data fed to the ECU by the injector code is not 100% for the operating conditions experienced - either because of a crappy calibration on the bench (assuming code on injector match what was done on the bench) or some mechanical or electrical deficiency in the motor.

Compensation values will ALWAYS and constantly change as a function of engine temperature, fuel pressure regulator pressure deviations, engine load, mechanical play in components etc etc - they will never be static and thus cannot (should not and must not) be "adjusted" by your scanner's producers to get them to 0 (if that is what you were thinking of doing anyway)

The moment you crack the seal on the injector to clean/service/recondition the injector the code stamped on it is immediately invalidated - I have a better chance of falling pregnant as a male than you have of reassembling that injector to the exact conditions it experienced on the calibration bench and when the code was generated and stamped on it - the minute you disturb an injector's internals, you ALWAYS need a new code for it (if you want to do the job properly anyway) - the reason why when good shops "recondition" injectors you get a tag hanging off it with a new code for that particular injector on it .......................

The minute you need to compensate via somebody telling you to that with a simple single figure on an injector you are screwing the pooch - the whole purpose of the individual injector codes is to allow the ECU to compensate for engineering deficiencies (read inability to produce 4 identical injectors for a specific engine - in fact they cannot even produce 2 injectors with identical flow characteristic hence the infernal need to code an injector)
 
the whole purpose of the individual injector codes is to allow the ECU to compensate for engineering deficiencies (read inability to produce 4 identical injectors for a specific engine
Probably truer to say that they cannot produce identical injectors to the tolerances required economically.
I'd be surprised if it cannot be done but the time and effort required when calibration and ECU fiddles can sort it, makes the latter a simpler option.
Car industry and mass production have worked on that sort of principle for years.
Still do on springs where they are graded to match them.
Used to on things like piston and bore diameters, may still do so.
No reason why an engine should not be slightly oversized or undersized as long as the clearance between piston and bore is correct, grade sizes to achieve desired clearance and less effort and waste in getting diameters smack on all the time.
 
Stuart, FYI P062F Is Same as DF611. where the EEPROM Gets confused after flat Battery Incidents.
 
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