Sadly, on these, if an injector fails, often short to earth. The ECU shuts down to protect itself. :grin2:
There are Tragic & Injector Removal experts about. Perhaps post your General Location & I'll see who is closest.
They won't be cheap, but they are good & you'll save in the long run. Rather than some back Street Herbert Who blames the most expensive thing (Usually ECU) to cover their considerable Ar$es.

 

This poster has similar symptoms, maybe change the fuel pressure sensor first???
http://www.renaultforums.co.uk/14-engines/562234-trafic-mystery-self-repaired-problem-**fixed**.html

 

Thanks guys i'll check that post, I'm in the Romford area

 

These are nearest. Clee Brothers Ltd – TVP Specialists. Wood Green. London. N22 8JA. 0208 889 60 90
Next Nearest is.
David Peters – Dapstar Engineering Ltd.
TVP Specialist. Bent Waters Park, Rendlesham. 07852 109215

 

Silly thought and one that may not work but may prove a point.
If No3 is shorted to earth and that is shutting down the ECU, disconnecting No3 (electric plug) may allow start on the other three.
Wouldn't run it that way for long.

 

Thats how we test on the VAG range Pete, so could/should work..

 

Have a look at Madhuvan's post 17 http://www.renaultforums.co.uk/14-e...s.co.uk/14-engines/562234-trafic-mystery-self-repaired-problem-**fixed**-4.html
seems his code reader incorrectly said injector 3 as well. Still worth disconnecting no 3 as if it still won't go that would suggest the rail pressure sensor.

 

Thanks again guys. I did try disconnecting no.3 when I could still get it to start to Id which cylinder was misfiring, and when I did it made no difference to the way the van ran, ie still missing. Incidently I gather the ecu pairs the injectors as when I disconnected no.1 that also made no difference, but both together and it would stop. Bloody thing.

 

I think I spoke to the guy in wood green who wanted about £300 per injector to remove them, which will come out at about £500 per unit. Ok if I only need one but a bit lumpy if more are needed. Hopefully ill call them and they can do a diagnostic on it first to determine the issue. Thanks everyone

 

300 notes per injector is taking the pee.
Removal is either a 2 minute job (once you have taken off covers and other bits to get to them) or could be couple of hours with specialised kit.
And you don't know which until you try but that is no reason to quote that sorta figure up front.
Recon injectors around 100 quid BTW.

 

The M9R suffers from rusted in injectors. Whole Watchdog Jobbie, due to poor scuttle sealing.
My man will change the lot for £1000. But he's in Bolsover & has special equipment for when the 20 Ton Portapak can't shift them. What's more the 2008 ones are Piezo & AFAIK not rebuildable.

 

I thought that was a bit much but do hear horror stories of them being seized in. I suppose if you have the right equipment its not an issue. £100 recon is ok. I'll have to phone round for a proper diagnostic. Might throw a pressure regulator on it just to rule it out.

Thanks again

 

I can tell you some of those horror stories, last set I had to get out (on my Kia) one ended up being drilled out.
But the other three came out with a gentle twist and pull.
You just do not know.
To me, 300 notes says he does not want the job.

How handy are you with spanners ?

 

He has heard the same nightmares. because the engine is still a runner. pour Penetrating Oil over the injectors, warm the engine, do this for a few days , the PO will start to work and help in getting them to come out.
Cannot get a non running engine hot, so do it while its still a runner..
dont forget a proper diagnostic first though..
Not cheap playing parts darts with Your money..

 

Ha, just gets better . wont start any more so cant warm it, they are piezo injectors but have been told they can be re built, not sure how true that is,. Need a proper diagnostic from someone who is prepared to do the work, not someone who tells me its the injector, pass it to someone else and its the pressure regulator after it still wont start. not running now so need a mobile or tow it in somewhere, bit iffy no power steering or brakes ! Been busy this week, need to get on it. .

 

Get a can of Easy Start, and spray through any orifice that goes to the inlet manifold, Would normally say through the turbo mouth, but depending how easy to get at,,..
Once running you need to get it scanned on live data..
This will show what each injector is doing if a decent scanner..

 

Trafic Experts.
Darren Landeka - DAS Auto Services. 24/7 TVP Specialist. Derby. DE22 3UE. 07551 033874
• Christopher Davies - CBM Automotive. TVP Specialist. Queensferry, North Wales. CH5 2DJ. 01244 531252
• Wes Clothier - VPT Autos Ltd. VPT Specialist. Birkenhead. CH41 3QT. 0151 666 2268
• David Peters - Dapstar Engineering Ltd. TVP Specialist. Hybrid Turbochargers. Remapping. Rendlesham. 07852 109215
• Clee Brothers Ltd – TVP Specialists. Wood Green. London. N22 8JA. 0208 889 60 90

Automotive Solutions Chesterfield Ltd
Unit 73, M1 Commerce Park, Markham Lane, Duckmanton, Chesterfield, Derbyshire, S44 5HS
Tel 01246 241111

HTH

 

Thanks again guys, not catching even on easy start ! can I fit a resistor in place of injector 3 to fool the ecu into not shutting itself down, as that's the consistant code on the scanner when cranking ? looks like resistance is between 150k - 210k ohms, any thoughts ? payday next week so can call someone out, January is a long month ! !

 

Need to get to the turbo mouth then and spray in through there..
Should make no difference if injectors were not connected.
Its a fuel in its own right, so ECU and components are ignored..
Can use upto half a can just to get it running...

 

Ok, will be more exuberant with the easy start, cheers, turbo pipe and air box is off so can spray directly into throttle body

 

It will take a few spurts , if you get the "LOCK" leave a few minutes and retry.
Its slow steady spurts, ..

 

Ok so will run on easy start. got it diagnosed today and the guy says no.2 injector is knackered on ohms test, only testing 3 ohms !!! even though code reader says injector no.3 ? ? which he also confirmed with his own diagnostic.. The strange thing is, when the van was still running, if I unplugged no.2 it would stop but if I unplugged no.3 it would make no difference ? ? confused.. anyway that's where we are at the mo.. Also recons all other injectors have lower than spec ohms readings, looks like its gonna get expensive ! !

 

What way are you numbering the injectors? Number one is nearest the flywheel

 

These engines number 2 is number 2 from timing chain, alternator end..
but the machine might be picking it up with a DF code, thats why its come up number 3

 

not on the 2 litre DCI
Normal injector sequence from timing chain = 1, 2, 3, 4.

 

Well saying my 2dci Laguna was reliable ...unlike the feckin 1.2 Clio

 

So possible wrong injector swapped ???

 

Thats correct,no.1 is timing chain end on the 2.0. have not swapped injector yet, as if it was that easy I would have whipped em out, lol. Not quite sure why code reader says no.3 but physical ohms test says no.2 ? ?. From the look of the injectors, the electronic part, the top section, is a separate unit from the rest of the injector. Is it only this electronic part that goes faulty due to the water ingress ? if so can this be changed and coded separately from the seized in body of the injector.. sure would save some aggro. . .

 

Any idea what the code was...
Think it would have been mentioned by now if it was possible to just change top half, as bottom and top are matched...